Adam vs Eve, in your own opinion, who do you think was actually the first to be created?

[SledgeHammer]

Before you can say what traits he has, you must be able to properly define him, demonstrate/show he exists, then ascribe traits that he would have. You cant work backwards.
We cant take anything for granted here because every step needs to be rock-solid for your case to hold up in not just convincing me or anyone else, but as the foundation for your belief.
Because you do not use faith (as is used in religious context) as the basis for believing anything else you come across in everyday life.

You want me to define God?

 

[SledgeHammer]

the only one known to harbour life..

How sure are you on a scale of 1 to 10 ?

 

[emali]

You want me to define God?

I know.. hard question... how do you define an imaginary being

 

[Burner]

Exactly.
That is why one religion is true to me and another one false, whereas the opposite applies to another person.
Context.

Here is where your analogy falls apart. i can empirically (physically that is by use of measurements of temp/humidity etc) to show you that in one year we have not had any snow in nairobi and the opposite in Antarctica. Things not controlled and easily testable by other people to reach the same conclusion about the snow in those two respective places, and hence becomes objectively conclusive.
What are you using to to discern the truth from one holy book from another? And how can we objectively come to the same conclusions that you have that one is true and the other isnt?

 

[SledgeHammer]

I know.. hard question... how do you define an imaginary being

Has no miracle ever happened in your life?

 

[emali]

How sure are you on a scale of 1 to 10 ?

again.. i don't.. the universe is large beyond compression... so i cannot be sure... but lack of evidence is not evidence of existence

 

[SledgeHammer]

@Aviator nikama sisi wawili tu ndio believers in this forum

 

[emali]

Has no miracle ever happened in your life?

define a miracle... me scoring a damsel way beyond my league?

 

[SledgeHammer]

again.. i don't.. the universe is large beyond compression... so i cannot be sure... but lack of evidence is not evidence of existence

Its like taking a spoonful of sea water and concluding that there aren't fish in the sea because they aren't any present in your spoon.

 

[SledgeHammer]

define a miracle... me scoring a damsel way beyond my league?

I mean that one which you can say a bigger force is at play

 

[Burner]

You want me to define God?

In all all seriousness.
Yes please. But please, dont say he is the creator of things, omnipotent omnipresent, the alpha and omega etc.
Because I will counter with "how do you know?"
If your answer is the bible, then that wont cut it. Because in order for me to believe the bible is the inspired word of god, i would need to have him demonstrated first.
And you can see the loop you would get caught up in..
So, define god.

 

[SledgeHammer]

There is a loop because you control the source of information, you inhibit my reference to the bible, you give no options but the answer that you would selfishly need to hear.
proof
And i would claim faith, so this is never ending.

In all all seriousness.
Yes please. But please, dont say he is the creator of things, omnipotent omnipresent, the alpha and omega etc.
Because I will counter with "how do you know?"
If your answer is the bible, then that wont cut it. Because in order for me to believe the bible is the inspired word of god, i would need to have him demonstrated.
And you can see the loop you would get caught up in..
So, define god.

 

[Burner]

There is a loop because you control the source of information, you inhibit my reference to the bible, you give no options but the answer that you would selfishly need to hear.
proof

Your god existed before the bible did he not? If one precedes the other how are you not able to give a coherent definition of the former?
If you must use the bible to define god, then you are literally defining him into existence. He is dependant on the book.
So let's put it another (and perhaps simpler) way.
We both agree the bible is a collection of books (inspired or not). Before the bible was put together in its current form, who or what was god?

 

[SledgeHammer]

Your god existed before the bible did he not? If one precedes the other how are you not able to give a coherent definition of the former?
If you must use the bible to define god, then you are literally defining him into existence. He is dependant on the book.
So let's put it another (and perhaps simpler) way.
We both agree the bible is a collection of books (inspired or not). Before the bible was put together in its current form, who or what was god?

In answer to your question , let me ask you another.
When you discover something not known to anyone but you, do you In your generous nature immediately hide it to eternity or you give a guide so others to come may truly know what was there?

 

[Burner]

In answer to your question , let me ask you another.
When you discover something not known, do you immediately hide it to eternity or you give a guide so others to come may truly know what was there?

If i discover something, i will show people like "hey everybody, look at this thing i just found". And other people can look at it and we can all agree we on its specific characteristics and do all manner of tests and try to explain what it is and how it came about.

 

[SledgeHammer]

If i discover something, i will show people like "hey everybody, look at this thing i just found". And other people can look at it we can look at it and we can all agree we on its specific characteristics and do all manner of tests and try to explain what it is and how it came about.

What if you are the discovery itself?

 

[Burner]

What if you are the discovery itself?

I dont understand what you mean. You need to elaborate.
As far as i know and can tell, im indistinguishable from every other person on the planet (except for my rugged handsomeness.)

 

[SledgeHammer]

I dont understand what you mean. You need to elaborate.
As far as i know and can tell, im indistinguishable from every other person on the planet (except for my rugged handsomeness.)

What if i self actualize myself overtime and become elements in the universe, I would gladly share and spread far and wide, wouldn't I?

 

[Burner]

What if i self actualize myself overtime and become elements in the universe,

I literally dont know what this means man. Im honestly trying to answer your questions to see where this is line of questioning is going but i dont know what you are asking.
As far as i can tell, i am entirely made up of different atoms, hydrogen, oxygen, carbon etc and those are part of the universe since they (as far as i can tell) are part of this reality.

 

[SledgeHammer]

I literally dont know what this means man. Im honestly trying to answer your questions to see where this is line of questioning is going but i dont know what you are asking.
As far as i can tell, i am entirely made up of different atoms, hydrogen, oxygen, carbon etc and those are part of the universe since they (as far as i can tell) are part of this reality.

You wanted logic in trying to figure out who God is and where he came from and why we shouldn't define Him according to the bible.
Did you forget that fast?