Adam vs Eve, in your own opinion, who do you think was actually the first to be created?

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Da Vinci

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Burner said:
I question the entire philosophy of theism.
However, my simple questions concerning our chat as well as with @Aviator here is this:

If your contention is that the bible is a holy book and thus its contents are true, how and why do you discount all other holy books (for various religions) as untrue? And why don't those same standards used to discount those books not apply to your bible?
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SledgeHammer

SledgeHammer

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emali said:
tulia kiasi... i know what i breath... and its not related to your bible.. and i didn't say i know any more than you do.... which is why i am agnostic... i simply don't know.. but that doesn't mean i need to believe just for the sake
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Why do you question then if you are not committed in finding the truth?
 
Burner

Burner

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SledgeHammer said:
Trancedence means Beyond all
Beyond your doubts, your thoughts, your abilities, your logic, your irrationality, etc
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How can you have insight into anythIng past your thoughts or abilities? Can you think more than you are currently or ever will think?
What does it mean to be beyond your doubts? More doubtful? Doubtless?
Or beyond Irrationality? Most irrational?
These are your words expounded but they nebulous. Give a coherent definition of transcendence.
 
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emali

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imagine uko kortini facing murder charges.. alafu ulete as your only witness, a letter you wrote saying how you didn't kill anybody.. would the judge just say.. ahh ok Enyewe we shouldn't question hili barua...
 
Aviator

Aviator

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Burner said:
It would depend what ground they were referring to. In nairobi? No. It Antarctica? Yes.
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Exactly.
That is why one religion is true to me and another one false, whereas the opposite applies to another person.
Context.
 
SledgeHammer

SledgeHammer

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Burner said:
How can you have insight into anythIng past your thoughts or abilities? Can you think more than you are currently or ever will think?
What does it mean to be beyond your doubts? More doubtful? Doubtless?
Or beyond Irrationality? Most irrational?
These are your words expounded but they nebulous. Give a coherent definition of transcendence.
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Oh, sorry i wasn't clear. I was referring to God in this case, He elicits the trait of trancedence.
 
SledgeHammer

SledgeHammer

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emali said:
plus nakuomba usome about the history of the bible.. how it has been influenced overthe centuries by whoever was in power.. the writings of paul originally must be very different to what is you read today
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How agnostic are you from a scale of 1 to 10 ?
 
Burner

Burner

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SledgeHammer said:
Oh, sorry i wasn't clear. I was referring to God in this case, He elicits the trait of trancedence.
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Before you can say what traits he has, you must be able to properly define him, demonstrate/show he exists, then ascribe traits that he would have. You cant work backwards.
We cant take anything for granted here because every step needs to be rock-solid for your case to hold up in not just convincing me or anyone else, but as the foundation for your belief.
Because you do not use faith (as is used in religious context) as the basis for believing anything else you come across in everyday life.
 
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