Adam vs Eve, in your own opinion, who do you think was actually the first to be created?

[It's Me Scumbag]

Don't you think god could have done a better job of rendering his story so it doesn't have so many loose ends?

They say he is all knowing. He already knew it would be questioned no matter what he did. Funny thing he decided to leave at it was was...with more holes that a fishnet

 

[SledgeHammer]

They he is all knowing. He already knew it would be questioned no matter what he did. Funny thing he decided to leave at it was was...with more holes that a fishnet

I don't think you understand the Bible how its supposed to be understood atleast not by yourself,
They is a reason for existence of pastors who are under guidance by the Holy spirit

 

[SledgeHammer]

Evidence, you ask? The subdued breasts on all human males. If you look at down there on all male humans, there is that line that looks like a stitch that runs from the back of the scrotum, all the way to the underside tip of the penis! That's the scar that was left behind after the surgery! Females do not have that. There is no evidence that a rib was removed from one side of Adam, is there? Females have 12 pairs of ribs, that's 24 pieces. But, so do the males!

Bible, I am waiting for your rebuttal. So, over to you!

I am dumbfounded.
Do you have the body of adam so that you stick to this results...?
Hio operation swaf sana ilifanyiwa adam, it wasn't genetic coded just physical so we don't have to carry split testicle syndrome.

 

[Burner]

I don't think you understand the Bible how its supposed to be understood atleast not by yourself,
They is a reason for existence of pastors who are under guidance by the Holy spirit

Does this mean you are incapable of understanding the bible on your own? If you can understand, how do you tell if you are correct or wrong? If not, How do you tell one who is under the guidance and one who is not since you lack the understanding?

 

[It's Me Scumbag]

I don't think you understand the Bible how its supposed to be understood atleast not by yourself,
They is a reason for existence of pastors who are under guidance by the Holy spirit

How is the book supposed to be understood. By me? O wise one.

 

[SledgeHammer]

How is the book supposed to be understood. By me? O wise one.

Its a word from God. You need a helper otherwise you will be seeing it as a story book with confusing details.

Does this mean you are incapable of understanding the bible on your own? If you can understand, how do you tell if you are correct or wrong? If not, How do you tell one who is under the guidance and one who is not since you lack the understanding?

If you possess a bible, get into it wholeheartedly, Join that christian forum, pray that prayer, allow that holiness through. Don't get into things half-manned and expect full compression.

 

[Kasaman]

Why? You dont apply the same standard for any other material you read, why the special exemption for the bible?

It holy book

 

[Burner]

It holy book

There are other holy books. Does that mean you should accept what they say as truth too?

If you possess a bible, get into it wholeheartedly, Join that christian forum, pray that prayer, allow that holiness through. Don't get into things half-manned and expect full compression.

You havent answered my question. How will you know the helper is getting it right or wrong if you need help to understand it? And how can you know that the helper is being inspired by the Holy spirit?

 

[Da Vinci]

How is the book supposed to be understood. By me? O wise one.

The book is alright and you understand it..., no, you comprehend it precisely the way you are supposed to. But its apologists and pushers are an other phenomenon completely! Where the book says go, the apologists want you to understand it to mean come! Where it is controversial they want you to see no confusion. Where it is ambiguous they want you to pretend to see clarity. Many times I wish they remembered that many of us started out as staunch Christians! Many of us have read that book from front to back countless times!

 

[Da Vinci]

The book is alright and you understand it..., no, you comprehend it precisely the way you are supposed to. But its apologists and pushers are an other phenomenon completely! Where the book says go, the apologists want you to understand it to mean come! Where it is controversial they want you to see no confusion. Where it is ambiguous they want you to pretend to see clarity. Many times I wish they remembered that many of us started out as staunch Christians! Many of us have read that book from front to back countless times!

Halafu, to show that you understand the book, you are mostly supposed to do as their own interpretation dictates, not the way you independently understand it.

 

[emali]

Its a word from God. You need a helper otherwise you will be seeing it as a story book with confusing details

let me get this...
so god wants us to believe his case.. but the only evidence is one that he brought.. and we shouldn't question it? why? because we what he brought proves what he is.. but he wrote it?

 

[It's Me Scumbag]

Its a word from God. You need a helper otherwise you will be seeing it as a story book with confusing details.

If you possess a bible, get into it wholeheartedly, Join that christian forum, pray that prayer, allow that holiness through. Don't get into things half-manned and expect full compression.

This is where you go left and I go right. You assume I believe like you do.

 

[It's Me Scumbag]

Halafu, to show that you understand the book, you are mostly supposed to do as their own interpretation dictates, not the way you independently understand it.

Boss,that story from Tz about surgery... That's where we are.

 

[SledgeHammer]

let me get this...
so god wants us to believe his case.. but the only evidence is one that he brought.. and we shouldn't question it? why? because we what he brought proves what he is.. but he wrote it?

If you want to, you should, atleast if you believe in Christianity.
He gives a choice, always has.

 

[SledgeHammer]

There are other holy books. Does that mean you should accept what they say as truth too?

You havent answered my question. How will you know the helper is getting it right or wrong if you need help to understand it? And how can you know that the helper is being inspired by the Holy spirit?

Inspiration is a code and it infectious. If the Preacher is Inspired by the holy ghost then you will too
Its not a one way street neither does it follow the laws of Human mind.
Transcendence is in the details..

 

[Mwalimu-G]

They is a reason for existence of pastors who are under guidance by the Holy spirit

Yes, I know a few. One of them was in my house juzi. He had the audacity to call himself a prophet.

 

[Burner]

Inspiration is a code and it infectious. If the Preacher is Inspired by the holy ghost then you will too
Its not a one way street neither does it follow the laws of Human mind.
Transcendence is in the details..

Define this transcendence ?how do you know its the holy ghost? After all, there are plenty of people and preachers who will claim the same inspiration. Some are fakes, so how do we discern the real from the fakes and further more how do we know its the holy spirit?

And you still havent answered my question why the bible should be exempt from skepticism and believed on the basis of it being "holy" while there are other holy books that you dont believe in.

 

[SledgeHammer]

Define this transcendence ?how do you know its the holy ghost? After all, there are plenty of people and preachers who will claim the same inspiration. Some are fakes, so how do we discern the real from the fakes and further more how do we know its the holy spirit?

And you still havent answered my question why the bible should be exempt from skepticism and believed on the basis of it being "holy" while there are other holy books that you dont believe in.

I haven't answered your question because its going to be a long tiresome talk to point out logic on matters of faith.

These questions that you ask about the holy spirit, i cannot say but tell you we live in times of grace. I need not know nothing more but prayer , supplication and wholehearted submission.

 

[SledgeHammer]

Yes, I know a few. One of them was in my house juzi. He had the audacity to call himself a prophet.

You could have asked him to predict something

 

[Burner]

I haven't answered your question because its going to be a long tiresome talk to point out logic on matters of faith.

I would agree faith is illogical if thats where you are going. Faith is the excuse people give when they dont have a good reason for belief in something.
Answering the question on why the bible shouldnt be held up to scrutiny and skepticism on the basis that it is "holy" is a piss poor excuse.