Burner
Elder Lister
Lets be clear what you mean by faith. Do you mean belief in the absence of evidence?No methods.
Faith
Just having a feeling? What?
Lets be clear what you mean by faith. Do you mean belief in the absence of evidence?No methods.
Faith
This dismissive gesture will render us inept and lazy! We ought to think for ourselves.Trying to decipher matters of God, the universe with our very limited brains is a fool's errand.
In this case are you optimistic ?Im dont have anything in mind about a god.
Im not the one claiming that a god does or doesnt exist. You are.
That is why i am asking you to define the god you believe in and how you have determined that god exists.
So you want us to imagine or think?This dismissive gesture will render us inept and lazy! We ought to think for ourselves.
And the word fool reminds me of that famous verse in the bible that says a fool says in their heart there's no god. I think, in complete opposite, this will be the clever one who tries to scratch that surface and does not find God or any evidence of God! In actuality, the fool is the one who says there is god without any evidential proof!
Think.So you want us to imagine or think?
You have said it.Lets be clear what you mean by faith. Do you mean belief in the absence of evidence?
Just having a feeling? What?
Optimistic about what? Optimism is a hope for an outcome. But you would have to know that one of the outcomes is possible.In this case are you optimistic ?
This is a false equivalency to what we are discussing. And yes, the empirical evidence exists. We can tell if the child is crying, we can ask them on a scale of 1 to 10 how much the pain is, is the child bleeding or has a welt, the trauma of the child in their approach to you thereafter. There are all manner of metrics.Like, do you need evidence that slapping a kid is bad? Does such evidence even exist? Can that be proven empirically?
Whatever makes you know that slapping an innocent kid is bad is the same thing that make me know that my religion is right.
So are you optimistic about God coming to your life or not?Optimistic about what? Optimism is a hope for an outcome. But you would have to know that one of the outcomes is possible.
If you are asking if im optimistic about the existence/nonexistence of a god, you have to show me that there is a god first.
Show me a god exists first then i can know if i'd be optimistic about it being in my lifeSo are you optimistic about God coming to your life or not?
You are very right here.All religions would have to be true for you if you use faith. You would have to believe and not believe in the trinity, you would have to believe there is only one true god but also in all the other gods ever proposed.
Is morality measurable empirically? Of course no. It is determined by nonscientific factors. FYI, staying naked outside in the sun is healthy and can be proven scientifically with evidence, but is it moral? Same with kusafisha macho.As for what makes it wrong? That deals with morality and not faith as you have defined it.
You missed my point. I wasn't asking if it hurts or not. I asked if it is right or wrong.This is a false equivalency to what we are discussing. And yes, the empirical evidence exists. We can tell if the child is crying, we can ask them on a scale of 1 to 10 how much the pain is, is the child bleeding or has a welt, the trauma of the child in their approach to you thereafter. There are all manner of metrics.
Why are you using a third person pronoun?Show me a god exists first then i can know if i'd be optimistic about it being in my life
But if you are using faith in the reading of all these religious texts to determine truth, how is it useful especially where the religions are in direct opposition to each other? And as a tool how are you using it to know that some are true others are not?You are very right here.
I have never said that my religion is the only true one.
I told you earlier that I read almost every religious book I come across.
I would agree some people base morals on some theistic belief, but this does not prove the existence of a deity. Attributing moral beliefs to a deity common place.Think of it, what makes one thing right/good and another wrong/bad? You agree morals are one thing. I want to tell you another. Culture. And then another. Religion. There may be other considerations.
Because we are talking about a thing. You are yet to show me this thing exist before you give it any other pronounsWhy are you using a third person pronoun?
You are that deep rooted?Because we are talking about a thing. You are yet to show me this thing exist before you give it any other pronouns
In what?You are that deep rooted?
Atheism?In what?