Adam vs Eve, in your own opinion, who do you think was actually the first to be created?

[Burner]

Atheism?

I dont know how deep you think it goes. You claim a god exists and i say i dont believe you until you can show me it does.
Its not unreasonable for me to ask for proof or a demonstration (by way of an sound structured argument) of something before i believe it.

And no i have not always been this way. I was a believer. But i asked myself the same questions i have asked you and never found any true answers.

 

[SledgeHammer]

I dont know how deep you think it goes. You claim a god exists and i say i dont believe you until you can show me it does.
Its not unreasonable for me to ask for proof or a demonstration (by way of an sound structured argument) of something before i believe it.

And no i have not always been this way. I was a believer. But i asked myself the same questions i have asked you and never found any true answers.

What made you become a believer in the first place?

 

[Burner]

What made you become a believer in the first place?

I was taught to believe by my mother. And my school. And when the questions of "why this" or "why that" or "how do we know" were asked, they would be met with non-answers or waved away with "god works in mysterious ways" or some other phrase.

 

[SledgeHammer]

I was taught to believe by my mother. And my school. And when the questions of "why this" or "why that" or "how do we know" were asked, they would be met with non-answers or waved away with "god works in mysterious ways" or some other phrase.

There are so many other things in life you do not understand, people lash out, Things happen for no reason.
You always question why did this guy behave this way, .. some secrets your woman doesn't tell you no matter how grave they meant to you..... But you don't always get what you want, Life is unpredictable as is beautiful, The very thing you believe is least matters most of all....
Parents don't know what's good for their kids, Even kids don't know either, Fate blossoms differently for everyone. Miracles happen everyday. So many questions we don't have answers to including the vastness of the universe...

So if you once believed and chose to abandon faith because you thought the school and your parent weren't right to teach your their belief when you were young and innocent but now because your mind is mature enough , you can render their believe useless or questionable, well then have at it.

 

[Da Vinci]

Parents don't know what's good for their kids, Even kids don't know either,

Parents always (think they) know what what's best for their children. And in matters religion the community is almost always in the picture. That's why some parents, especially the Muslims, will disown, say, a daughter who rebels the religious teachings and marries into a different religion/ethnicity and the same parent will also expect/persuade the siblings to also disown their sister.

 

[Burner]

because you thought the school and your parent weren't right to teach your their belief when you were young and innocent but now because your mind is mature enough , you can render their believe useless or questionable,

I dont know where you gathered all this. Or presume that one is lashing out.
In any case it doesnt change anything regarding the questions asked.

 

[Aviator]

But if you are using faith in the reading of all these religious texts to determine truth, how is it useful especially where the religions are in direct opposition to each other? And as a tool how are you using it to know that some are true others are not?

Unless you are a religious scholar, such details don't really matter. Just like we have opposing cultures, bit can't say one is good and the other bad. Just different. The issue is being ready to believe and more importantly accept what you read in these religious books. That is where faith comes in.

I would agree some people base morals on some theistic belief, but this does not prove the existence of a deity. Attributing moral beliefs to a deity common place.

What do the atheists base their morals on?
Religion and morality are mutually exclusive. I just used morals as an example of things we adopt without any scientific evidence or testing.

 

[Aviator]

Parents always (think they) know what what's best for their children

Isn't this a fact?
How can a child know better than their parent (unless it is knowledge acquired from education, travel, work, etc)?

 

[Da Vinci]

What do the atheists base their morals on?

It's as simple as you do me good I do you good! Make me happy I make you happy. If I do bad, if I wrong somebody there are retribution(s). In other words, as an atheist, I do good because it assures me of the all crucial self preservation. If I defile a kid...??!

 

[Burner]

Unless you are a religious scholar, such details don't really matter. Just like we have opposing cultures, bit can't say one is good and the other bad. Just different. The issue is being ready to believe and more importantly accept what you read in these religious books. That is where faith comes in.

Its not about one being good or bad. Its about being true or not.
The hindu religion has a pantheon of gods. They have a holy book. The christian faith has one god and a holy book.
The basic tenets of these two religions are in direct opposition to each other.
How do we tell which one is true using faith (since you have said its the only tool one can use for religious text)?

 

[Aviator]

Its not about one being good or bad. Its about being true or not.
The hindu religion has a pantheon of gods. They have a holy book. The christian faith has one god and a holy book.
The basic tenets of these two religions are in direct opposition to each other.
How do we tell which one is true using faith (since you have said its the only tool one can use for religious text)?

Wrong again.
True or false is a domain of science. In (my) religion, it is right or wrong, and everything in between.

 

[Aviator]

as an atheist, I do good because it assures me of the all crucial self preservation

As a Christian, I do good because it is good for the other person, even when it is not good for me.
Let me ask you, how does it benefit you when you give to charity? How does it increase your chances of self preservation?
Or don't atheists do charity?

 

[Burner]

Wrong again.
True or false is a domain of science. In (my) religion, it is right or wrong.

True or false (or rather true or not true) is a true dichotomy of every statement.
For example:
Burner is a human or burner is not a human.

When you speak of right or wrong in regards to (your) religion, it is entirely subjective and does not speak to the Truth of the beliefs.
This is what i mean:
Lets assume you are Catholic. From your perspective (religion) it is wrong to pray to idols.
Suppose for a moment that the God of the catholic faith doesnt exist and the real god is Baal and the tenets of Baalism is that you worship an idol.
In this example your perspective of right or wrong are of no consequence since your beliefs are not true. Your faith in catholicism has not led you to truth since you have believed without reason.

My point is this, right and wrong may guide you within the context of your religion. I would think you would want to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible. Faith does not necessarily lead to truth, as from the example above, your faith kept you in the belief of a god that isnt true.
(Note: i say necessarily because, you could stumble into believing true things by accident or coincidence via faith).

 

[Da Vinci]