Bottom up economic model discussion

[bigDog]

I just told you look at downtown and how it operates, better yet I`ll challenge you to go there if you have friends and ask how they do business, and you`ll understand why this model is making sense to them. They don`t bite.

In other words, you cannot explain bottom up model to a 5 year old?

Unasema twende CBC lessons huko Nyamakima! Isorait.

 

[bigDog]

I am supporting Sugoi not because of Bottom up or any of that shiet, but to show the middle finger to Katundu Mutesa II.

However, from a naive point of view, I think the hustler narrative maybe a cure for our tribal politics. I say this because every five years we are told that we must have one of our own at the top so that we benefit. It is happening right now with kina MK na Kabogo coming out and telling us BS. Now if Hustler would treat each hustler equally, what need would we have of akina Melon, Madvd et al?

It's only tribal when the Mountain is mentioned. Siyo? We asked for one man, one vote one shilling. Mkasema ni ukabila. Siyo?

 

[Okiya]

Few compared to who? And Nyamakima is replicated in very many other places in Kenya. And is bottom up opening up the economy to a flood of imports? Hasn`t said so, it`s about the trader and facilitating him in their business, about the farmer and facilitating them in their farms, it`s about facilitating the entrepreneur manf and them having figured out their competitive adv in an open market. Take politics out of core industries like sugar and safeguard them, recall Raila and sister messed up Dominion Farms so much they closed up shop, Mumias Sugar too https://www.pulselive.co.ke/news/po...as-sugar-company-after-details-emerge/vyx0z9k

All you have done is to explain the WHAT. The WHAT has previously led people to vote after being promised 1 million jobs per year. If they had asked the HOW, then they would have seen the impossibility.

Many talkers are more focused on the HOW of bottom up

 

[Mwalimu-G]

In other words, you cannot explain bottom up model to a 5 year old?

Even the architect and main commissioner and promoter cannot explain the how. Mashabiki and watu wa kudandia bandwagon ndio wataweza? Ukiuliza Ndii a-explain he resorts to invective. It was just meant to be just a slogan...not a concrete plan.

 

[bigDog]

Few compared to who? And Nyamakima is replicated in very many other places in Kenya. And is bottom up opening up the economy to a flood of imports? Hasn`t said so, it`s about the trader and facilitating him in their business, about the farmer and facilitating them in their farms, it`s about facilitating the entrepreneur manf and them having figured out their competitive adv in an open market. Take politics out of core industries like sugar and safeguard them, recall Raila and sister messed up Dominion Farms so much they closed up shop, Mumias Sugar too https://www.pulselive.co.ke/news/po...as-sugar-company-after-details-emerge/vyx0z9k

Shuka kutoka huko UTOPIA and hypothetical world uko and tell us one thing.

How will bottom up economic model work? Who will pay for it?

 

[wrongturn]

However, from a naive point of view, I think the hustler narrative maybe a cure for our tribal politics. I say this because every five years we are told that we must have one of our own at the top so that we benefit. It is happening right now with kina MK na Kabogo coming out and telling us BS. Now if

let's not lie to ourselves, tribal politics is going nowhere, MK is very much right DP must come from mk , everyone will be aligned where demigod will say. Sahi it's just hot air.

That said i have no idea what bottom up is, also nobody does except what has been said up there just a catchy phrase .

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

Shuka kutoka huko UTOPIA and hypothetical world uko and tell us one thing.

How will bottom up economic model work? Who will pay for it?

Are you unable to put your acclaimed critical thinking to use to look at something and join the dots? I've told you, look at the traders and think how they do business

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

Even the architect and main commissioner and promoter cannot explain the how. Mashabiki and watu wa kudandia bandwagon ndio wataweza? Ukiuliza Ndii a-explain he resorts to invective. It was just meant to be just a slogan...not a concrete plan.

Now this is just hilarious, when the main gavament apologist who would not explain the how and why of BBI is asking the same from a high

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

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You guys are really funny, did you ever answer the how and why of BBI or just played deaf and blind to the question? Now you're shouting off a glass house seated on a horse? Anyways, you cannot talk about manf without addressing gavament policy, tarrifs..... What Big 4 was about, housing and send subsequent employment etc

 

[Okiya]

You guys are really funny, did you ever answer the how and why of BBI or just played deaf and blind to the question? Now you're shouting off a glass house seated on a horse? Anyways, you cannot talk about manf without addressing gavament policy, tarrifs..... What Big 4 was about, housing and send subsequent employment etc

Your BBI question was Whataboutism. Participants in this thread are discouraged from Whataboutery.

Anyway, credit you've partly started addressing the HOW by mentioning the parts in bold.

So what will be the difference in government policy, tariffs... between what Jubilee has had for the last 10 years and what Ruto plans for the Bottom up model?

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

What sector has the current and former governments ever protected? The current government that the hustler/survivor is part of. The same governments the monkey trader has been part of?
What makes them think they can bring in a new spin and change the narrative?

Well forestry is protected until politics checked in, sugar the same that`s why we have quotas

 

[bigDog]

Are you unable to put your acclaimed critical thinking to use to look at something and join the dots? I've told you, look at the traders and think how they do business

SI utumie ka-ngumu hata siku Moja. Exercise that little muscle kidogo tu. Tuambie,. Who will pay for the bottom approach?

Sema tu ni dynasty italipa maneno iishe.

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

"Governments have identified the manufacturing sector as the cog that will accelerate economic growth, create employment and alleviate poverty" In short, what governments are saying is sort out manufacturing and money will flow into people's pockets.

Nyamakima businesses were disrupted in 2019. Did the economic issues for all Kenyans start in 2019?

Just because Nyamakima businesses started feeling the economic heat in 2019 doesn't mean that's the same time other Kenyan's started feeling the heat too. Manufacturers were laying off staff and some closing way before.

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Do you understand that Nyamakima and down town serve as hubs for other businesses and traders in other towns to get their goods? When they suffer or not get their goods, what will happen to traders in other towns?

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

SI utumie ka-ngumu hata siku Moja. Exercise that little muscle kidogo tu. Tuambie,. Who will pay for the bottom approach?

Sema tu ni dynasty italipa maneno iishe.

It`s painful seeing such a waste of acclaimed critical thinking cannot think through something as simple as that, truly painful....the face masks you`re fond of, where do the traders who sell them to you source them?

 

[bigDog]

Your BBI question was Whataboutism. Participants in this thread are discouraged from Whataboutery.

Anyway, credit you've partly started addressing the HOW by mentioning the parts in bold.

So what will be the difference in government policy, tariffs... between what Jubilee has had for the last 10 years and what Ruto plans for the Bottom up model?

Ever tried herding cats? Kuna hii Ngima na Ile ingine Nyeusi.

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

Your BBI question was Whataboutism. Participants in this thread are discouraged from Whataboutery.

Naaaaah, doesn`t feel good when you taste your own medicine of playing deaf and dumb about BBI...... Anyway about gavament policy it changes depending on what they want to prioritize, if it`s farming the fertilizer program will be back

 

[Okiya]

Naaaaah, doesn`t feel good when you taste your own medicine of playing deaf and dumb about BBI...... Anyway about gavament policy it changes depending on what they want to prioritize

So just like the rest of us you don't know the HOW

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

So just like the rest of us you don't know the HOW

I do not have all the details, but enough to know there`s a conversation happening

 

[Okiya]

I do not have all the details, but enough to know there`s a conversation happening

Share the few details you have of the HOW.

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

Share the few details you have of the HOW.

Now you`re just being lazy