Watu wawache jokes and taking people for a ride.

Field Marshal said:
Kipara is not a njaruo................he's a sophisticated shiny-eye, one of few...............
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Okiya said:
You're the one with a problem. Most of your replies to me huwa na insults in them. You even had to bring in koinange prostitutes and sijui the accounting profession dying. I don't know what point you were trying to put across.
Kama huwezi debate bila matusi si unyamaze tu
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Your want of a discussion or debate is malafide. You have been taking cheap shots at kikuyus for a while similar to what your kin and kith has been doing on every available social media platform.
I have asked two key questions:
a) What is wrong with the so called Mt. Kenya reps wanting to negotiate with a potential head of state?
b) Is kikuyu the only tribe north and south of river Limpopo that has ever held negotiations with potential heads of state?
Why haven't you brought forth a similar question relating to the so called kikuyu elders who visited the monkey trader?
 
Montecarlo said:
You have been taking cheap shots at kikuyus for a while
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Even before I debate you, I need you to table evidence on this thread to substantiate your allegation. Let me make it even simple for you, bring screenshots from here klist or from ktalk where I've ever referred to kikuyus as shinny eyes which I consider derogatory.

I can assure you you will come up with nothing. Nought.
 
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Okiya said:
Even before I debate you, I need you to table evidence on this thread to substantiate your allegation. Let me make it even simple for you, bring screenshots from here klist or from ktalk where I've ever referred to kikuyus as shinny eyes which I consider derogatory.

I can assure you you will come up with nothing. Nought.
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Where have I said you referred to them as shiney eyes...and I don't look at that term as derogatory...to me it means they go after what they set their minds on. Period.
You know what I am referring to when I talk about 'cheap shots' and if you don't I won't point it out to you.
 
Montecarlo said:
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Where have I said you referred to them as shiney eyes...and I don't look at that term as derogatory...to me it means they go after what they set their minds on. Period.
You know what I am referring to when I talk about 'cheap shots' and if you don't I won't point it out to you.
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You can't make such allegations then when called out you ran away. Ati " If I don't know what I'm referring to I won't point it out to you".

You're the same person who was pointing out that social political debate isn't my forte. Why is it now difficult to point out your evidence

Kuja hapa na evidence! Wacha kujificha. Klisters want to see where I take cheap shots at Kikuyus
 
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Montecarlo said:
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Where have I said you referred to them as shiney eyes...and I don't look at that term as derogatory...to me it means they go after what they set their minds on. Period.
You know what I am referring to when I talk about 'cheap shots' and if you don't I won't point it out to you.
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This guy often surprises me. One time he seems balanced and logical, the next minute you can't follow what he's saying. Just look at this example: you say that he takes cheap shots at Kikuyus (a general statement) and he challenges you to show him where he has ever called Kikuyus 'shiny-eyes' ( a very specific term).

Sasa honestly, where is the logical connection between the two? Is 'shiny-eyes' the only 'derogatory' term you can use on the Kikuyu?

Na nikimwambia hivo utaona ameenda off on another tangent hata haileweki....................
 
Mr Black said:
I also do not understand how getting a leading presidential candidate to commit himself publicly to people-centric initiatives is not a good thing, it may not be grassroots-led but it sets a good trend, definitely beats the jostling for key government positions BBI is looking to entrench.

Ruto is right on one thing, fear and hate won't sell in 2022 like in '07, 2013 and 2017, we are also witnessing the waning of big man politics with BBI taking a beating despite being backed by every regional kingpin but Ruto.

Promises on the other hand get voters on-side but they need to be relatable if you are going to get pastrolists to go back home to vote and Mwangi to forego a day's wages to go line up to vote, people need to have a direct benefit in your bid if they are going to brave the elements to vote for you, region-specific promises achieves that. If he gets it right he is definitely going to be the fifth President of Kenya.

The boon for Kenyans here is clear, we are set to have people-centric conversations rather than Ruto this, Raila that 24/7, this is 100 times better.
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I concur with F. Mashal. I couldn't have articulated my thinking better.

Raila was tweeting yesterday how ethnic formations should be a thing of the past while meeting the 'kikuyu council of elders'. It is clear the conversation is changing but for Raila it will be impossible to actually walk the talk because 'old dogs can' t learn new tricks.' His heart is not in it.

It will be very interesting to follow Ruto's developing plan.
 
Field Marshal said:
This guy often surprises me. One time he seems balanced and logical, the next minute you can't follow what he's saying. Just look at this example: you say that he takes cheap shots at Kikuyus (a general statement) and he challenges you to show him where he has ever called Kikuyus 'shiny-eyes' ( a very specific term).

Sasa honestly, where is the logical connection between the two? Is 'shiny-eyes' the only 'derogatory' term you can use on the Kikuyu?

Na nikimwambia hivo utaona ameenda off on another tangent hata haileweki....................
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It's difficult having a discourse with him...I have given up...
 
Montecarlo said:
It's difficult having a discourse with him...I have given up...
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You say I take cheap shots at Kikuyus. I ask you to prove it, you decide to run away.

The discourse is difficult because you cannot prove your allegations.

You see, mimi when I debate, I usually have facts. When my facts are proven not to be right I admit I was wrong

What is so hard for you to bring evidence that I take cheap shots at Kikuyus?
 
Field Marshal said:
This guy often surprises me. One time he seems balanced and logical, the next minute you can't follow what he's saying. Just look at this example: you say that he takes cheap shots at Kikuyus (a general statement) and he challenges you to show him where he has ever called Kikuyus 'shiny-eyes' ( a very specific term).

Sasa honestly, where is the logical connection between the two? Is 'shiny-eyes' the only 'derogatory' term you can use on the Kikuyu?

Na nikimwambia hivo utaona ameenda off on another tangent hata haileweki....................
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No I am not going off tangent on this. It was a simple request for @Montecarlo to prove I take cheap shots at Kikuyus. 12 hours later, he doesn't have any evidence. Nothing. Zero.

Let me tell you something, I can accept being labelled as anything except (i) being labeled as a tribalist and (ii) being labelled as being corrupt.

My ethics are extremely high! very high.

That's why am pushing hard for this guy to bring evidence for all to see.
 
Okiya said:
You say I take cheap shots at Kikuyus. I ask you to prove it, you decide to run away.

The discourse is difficult because you cannot prove your allegations.

You see, mimi when I debate, I usually have facts. When my facts are proven not to be right I admit I was wrong

What is so hard for you to bring evidence that I take cheap shots at Kikuyus?
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Okiya...where I come from we say an intelligent person huwa hashindi akiambiwa vitu
 
Montecarlo said:
Okiya...where I come from we say an intelligent person huwa hashindi akiambiwa vitu
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Sonko's perceived invincibility led to him accusing PS Kibicho of violence in 2017. Kibicho asked Sonko to prove the same in court. Sonko has been unable and he is now seeking an out of court settlement.

Moral of the story, never accuse people of something you cannot substantiate.

Go in peace.
 
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