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The above posts while making sense, still suggest that we are better off engaging in tribal politics. Another evil.
However uncomfortable class politics is, I find that it is closer to pointing at where the actual problem has been in kenya.
What those that are uncomfortable are suggesting is that we ignore the real problem and pursue our normal brand of tribal politics where they are not the subject and should any clash occur, it be at the level of the commoners as they watch.
That is what they are saying in a nutshell.
Do you think this is right?
 
mZENDE said:
The above posts while making sense, still suggest that we are better off engaging in tribal politics. Another evil.
However uncomfortable class politics is, I find that it is closer to pointing at where the actual problem has been in kenya.
What those that are uncomfortable are suggesting is that we ignore the real problem and pursue our normal brand of tribal politics where they are not the subject and should any clash occur, it be at the level of the commoners as they watch.
That is what they are saying in a nutshell.
Do you think this is right?
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Like I have said above, once we get to class politics, tribal zitakua zinatutoka pole pole. Tunabaki na the other humongous one. Corruption.
 
Budspencer said:
I think we are on the right path. Finally realizing that the two tribes we have are 'rich' and 'poor' tuachane na one of two problems that have have been endemic since independence.
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The fallacy of the rich versus poor narrative is as false as it is stupid. So, supposing we go with the person driving it will there be poverty and poor people in five years, or ten? Shall we elect another person who will remind us that there are rich and poor? Is he going to abolish capitalism because as long as there is capitalism there will always be rich and poor? Are you willing to hive off ten of your acres to give to a fellow poor man from Kibera because you belong to the same tribe (of poor)? Don't make me laugh.
 
mZENDE said:
However uncomfortable class politics is, I find that it is closer to pointing at where the actual problem has been in kenya.
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Number one, a classless society is eutopic and impractical. So at the outset a person telling you he is leading you on an equalization mission is lying. A classless society has failed where they tried pure communism. In one of the last bastions of communism, China, they are running a hybrid system where means of production at the household level are in private hands while at the industrial level they are both in state and private hands.
If someone was promising a more equitable society through policy measures then that is practical. Wealth redistribution by taking from the rich will only put the country in an endless cycle of wars.
My biggest beef though is that even learned Kenyans are mouthing slogans while knowing fully well that the person driving the narrative is a scoundrel whose only goal is state capture.
 
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Mwalimu-G said:
Number one, a classless society is eutopic and impractical. So at the outset a person telling you he is leading you on an equalization mission is lying. A classless society has failed where they tried pure communism. In one of the last bastions of communism, China, they are running a hybrid system where means of production at the household level are in private hands while at the industrial level they are both in state and private hands.
If someone was promising a more equitable society through policy measures then that is practical. Wealth redistribution by taking from the rich will only put the country in an endless cycle of wars.
My biggest beef though is that even learned Kenyans are mouthing slogans while knowing fully well that the person driving the narrative is a scoundrel whose only goal is state capture.
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:D:D Daktari, I agree on endless cycle of wars, but on calling him a scoundrel, it reinforces the Swahili adage kivushacho ni kibovu. When was the epiphany on his scoundrelship? Pre or post the two elections of 2017? If the other side are unblemished? why did they join hands with a scoundrel (for the lack of a better word) and aren't they scoundrels by association?
 
Clemens said:
Daktari,
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Amen. I consider this good wishes and hopefully I'll get the paper to go with the honorific soon.
Clemens said:
When was the epiphany on his scoundrelship? Pre or post the two elections of 2017? If the other side are unblemished? why did they join hands with a scoundrel (for the lack of a better word) and aren't they scoundrels by association?
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The scoundrelship was always there and it is not that we did not know about it. The reason I supported their side is that we have always been unfortunate to be presented with two bad choices to choose from. Be sure I would not have vote for their side if there had a better, credible, third choice. And it is not that the other side is unblemished...they are equally scoundrels.
2013 and 2017 I voted for the two not because they were any good, but because I wanted to keep away the other man who I had seen attempt to burn down the country between 2005 to 08.
 
Mwalimu-G said:
Number one, a classless society is eutopic and impractical. So at the outset a person telling you he is leading you on an equalization mission is lying. A classless society has failed where they tried pure communism. In one of the last bastions of communism, China, they are running a hybrid system where means of production at the household level are in private hands while at the industrial level they are both in state and private hands.
If someone was promising a more equitable society through policy measures then that is practical. Wealth redistribution by taking from the rich will only put the country in an endless cycle of wars.
My biggest beef though is that even learned Kenyans are mouthing slogans while knowing fully well that the person driving the narrative is a scoundrel whose only goal is state capture.
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I did not imply that we angle for a classless society. What I pray is that we

'then we might discuss objectively about corruption, poverty and mismanagement of the country'

Key word here is discussion. Acknowledge there is a systemic problem, have a discussion hence a solution. For how long are you going to wish away an elephant in the room
 
scoundrel
/ˈskaʊndr(ə)l/

  1. a dishonest or unscrupulous person; a rogue.
    "that scoundrel sets a bad example for the other young men"


    This description perfectly describes most if not all the politicians of this nation. So let us interrogate the issues not personalities.
 
I would rather a class war than a tribal war. That way the government can deal with corruption and avoid overnight billionaires from a single government contract.

Those who are saying its worse than tribal shit are the people we need to start with because they are the people benefitting from corruption! Murathe is a billionaire na ata hujui ile biashara yeye hufanya...
 
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Mwalimu-G said:
The fallacy of the rich versus poor narrative is as false as it is stupid. So, supposing we go with the person driving it will there be poverty and poor people in five years, or ten? Shall we elect another person who will remind us that there are rich and poor? Is he going to abolish capitalism because as long as there is capitalism there will always be rich and poor? Are you willing to hive off ten of your acres to give to a fellow poor man from Kibera because you belong to the same tribe (of poor)? Don't make me laugh.
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Ok, we continue with taking 'Kikuyu elders' to Bondo for endorsement.
 
Budspencer said:
Ok, we continue with taking 'Kikuyu elders' to Bondo for endorsement.
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Is that what I have said in my post? Just answer my last question if you will be willing to split your land with a landless family. If it is no then stop clothing tribalism in lofty slogans. Some of us can see through the smokescreens.
 
The.Black.Templar said:
I would rather a class war than a tribal war.
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My friend, there is no good war, except the war on corruption. I a country like Kenya how will you separate any war from tribes? Like I said in an earlier post let's stop mouthing empty slogans and look at the practicalities of what we're talking about. I am out of here.
 
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