Asubuhi - siasa, jioni, - siasa...acha niache hii hapa.

It is a good thing that poverty and inequality are finally getting the limelight they deserve, the messenger isn't honest but our hope should be that these issues gain a life of their own and become too big to be ignored so that we can have a national conversations with impactful outcomes.
 
I find it strange that it's time to separate the wheat from the tares, Yet not long ago completing of the journey was a catch phrase. Most of the Listers in here voted for the duo, while others in this site who supported their opponents demonized the two but had to accept the decision by majority albeit with lots of "I told you so". When that time comes, the majority shall have their way, the "I told you so" shall be duly noted like the 'choices have consequences' quip was. Democracy is like a saw cuts back and forth, when things go your way celebrate, when they don't you have to persevere.
 
Mwalimu-G said:
My friend, there is no good war, except the war on corruption. I a country like Kenya how will you separate any war from tribes? Like I said in an earlier post let's stop mouthing empty slogans and look at the practicalities of what we're talking about. I am out of here.
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How do you explain that someone has no known business but they are billionaires?, how do you explain people owning more land than counties and no single shilling was ever spent on it? How can you defend a whole megastructure like the SGR was built only to end up in someones private property? How can you defend private individuals owning whole port berths built by the government? Those same people saying class war is bad are the beneficiaries of such mega corruption and they are the same ones who are facilitating tribal wars accusing one tribe against another....

I would rather the elite die for his class and stolen wealth than the poor die because of their tribe!
 
The.Black.Templar said:
How do you explain that someone has no known business but they are billionaires?, how do you explain people owning more land than counties and no single shilling was ever spent on it? How can you defend a whole megastructure like the SGR was built only to end up in someones private property? How can you defend private individuals owning whole port berths built by the government? Those same people saying class war is bad are the beneficiaries of such mega corruption and they are the same ones who are facilitating tribal wars accusing one tribe against another....
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did you read anything i posted up there? Heck!, did you even digest my post that you quote? The rich, your Messiah arap Sugoi included, use the poor to protect their riches. Any war kills the poor. Hii mambo yote umeandika hapo was irrelevant to the issue at hand.
 
Mwalimu-G said:
did you read anything i posted up there? Heck!, did you even digest my post that you quote? The rich, your Messiah arap Sugoi included, use the poor to protect their riches. Any war kills the poor. Hii mambo yote umeandika hapo was irrelevant to the issue at hand.
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That is the point, if the poor must die let it be in a class war and not a tribal war, that way atleast the real issue which is inequality will come into the lime light, inequality is the issue here
 
The.Black.Templar said:
if the poor must die let it be in a class war and not a tribal war,
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MY friend, someone once posted on this forum that "I can't wait for the revolution to start so that we cut down these Kikuyus to size". What I mean to tell you is that the line between the class war you romanticize (by the way does that mean you burn and pillage the property of those you perceive to have more than you?) and a civil/tribal war is very thin; in fact it is nonexistent. All control or semblance of an orderly revolution (such a thing never existed) is lost when you light a match to burn the first house or throw the first arrow.
I leave you with a quote:

“In wars, boy, fools kill other fools for foolish causes”
― Robert Jordan, To the Blight

That's enough civic education for this week tukutane next Friday.
 
In the end if this rich vs poor debate becomes to much for the rich, there will be no option other then set the poor at tribal war with each other.
 
The.Black.Templar said:
I would rather a class war than a tribal war. That way the government can deal with corruption and avoid overnight billionaires from a single government contract.

Those who are saying its worse than tribal shit are the people we need to start with because they are the people benefitting from corruption! Murathe is a billionaire na ata hujui ile biashara yeye hufanya...
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Biashara na hustle yake ni peed etats... I assume.
 
Mwalimu-G said:
MY friend, someone once posted on this forum that "I can't wait for the revolution to start so that we cut down these Kikuyus to size". What I mean to tell you is that the line between the class war you romanticize (by the way does that mean you burn and pillage the property of those you perceive to have more than you?) and a civil/tribal war is very thin; in fact it is nonexistent. All control or semblance of an orderly revolution (such a thing never existed) is lost when you light a match to burn the first house or throw the first arrow.
I leave you with a quote:

“In wars, boy, fools kill other fools for foolish causes”
― Robert Jordan, To the Blight

That's enough civic education for this week tukutane next Friday.
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With all due respect, it is when people speak out that they will be heard, if voices cannot communicate the message, then a revolution will. Throughout history in Europe, Russia and the rest of the world people have rebelled against the elite and they have been heard, governments and monarchs have been toppled and a better governance structure put in place. Its about time that happened here in Kenya too.
 
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Mwalimu-G said:
Who sent him? My problem is that he's just an opportunist who latched onto the people's desperation and is now hypocritically styling himself as their champion. A few farmers in Kimwarer who would be looking forward to their poverty being permanently redressed know better.
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Ruto is an opportunistic scoundrel, that is not in dispute but he is highlighting a serious issue that needs to be discussed and addressed.

Instead of fighting him we should be fact-checking him and bringing the truth to light, painful and shocking truths like more than 22Million Kenyans make less than 6000 per month which translates to less than 200bob a day yet in the same nation we are minting dollar millionaires faster than any other economy in the world, how now?
 
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