Swali kwa WSR die hards

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Othello

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Ngimanene na Muchere said:
The constitution sets an irreducible limit sent to counties, doesn't say anything about capping it
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(1) A proposed amendment to this Constitution shall be enacted in accordance with Article 256 or 257, and approved in accordance with clause (2) by a referendum, if the amendment relates to any of the following matters—

(a) the supremacy of this Constitution;

(b) the territory of Kenya;

(c) the sovereignty of the people;

(d) the national values and principles of governance mentioned in Article 10 (2) (a) to (d);

(e) the Bill of Rights;

(f) the term of office of the President;

(g) the independence of the Judiciary and the commissions and independent offices to which Chapter Fifteen applies;

(h) the functions of Parliament;

(i) the objects, principles and structure of devolved government; or

(j) the provisions of this Chapter.
 
Pseudonyms

Pseudonyms

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Okiya said:
Tell us about WSR's bottom up economic model and I will prove to you nothing is new.
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My friend, I just did!

Of course it's nothing new. The Chinese, the US, Korea, and such have done it.

Empower a million hustlers/working class people, reap great from the resulting small taxes from each.

Rather than, empower 10 billionaires and tax the still impoverished hustlers/working class people.
 
It's Me Scumbag

It's Me Scumbag

Elder Lister
Okiya said:
Tell us about WSR's bottom up economic model and I will prove to you nothing is new.
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HE HAS NONE! NONE WHATSOEVER.
Just what Ndee posts on twitta and fb. And thats what they plan to do. Doing it once they get elected (if they get elected) is a completely different animal altogether.
Personally,I let history teach me...And I never witnessed the changeover from Paul to Saul in the 10 years niga has been part of the country's top leadership.
 
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Quiet Storm

Lister
Okiya said:
Tell us about WSR's bottom up economic model and I will prove to you nothing is new.
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I will paraphrase this bible verse
There's nothing new under the sun!
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; ... there is nothing new under the sun.

The difference is, the political will to implement an approach that may interfere with tenderprenuers, oligarchs and the political elite's stranglehold on the economy.
 
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DeepInYourMind said:
I've been having a hard time understanding what you stand for. In most of your discussions you seem fixated on what Uhuru or RAO did wrong. And then you finish off by quoting mysterious sayings, some from the holy book.

I like keeping an open mind looking at all matters rationally, and sometimes I do get insights I wouldn't get otherwise. Can I get your viewpoint, without bringing in Raila or Uhuru, on why you stand for Ruto
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I support Ruto for the simple reason he has single handedly changed the political discourse from ethnic based issues to economic issues, that for the first time in the history of this country the common man's economy has become front and centre of the political discourse.

I'm enjoying the fact that this is giving the political elite nightmares, and they've been forced to focus on the masses, right now they are scrambling to get the wind from WSR but that ship has sailed. The best they can do right now is to come up with alternative policies that directly impact the working poor.

If they do so, the greatest beneficary will be Kenyans and will shift the political rhetoric from ethnicity to economic issues!
 
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wrongturn

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Quiet Storm said:
I support Ruto for the simple reason he has single handedly changed the political discourse from ethnic based issues to economic issues, that for the first time in the history of this country the common man's economy has become front and centre of the political discourse.

I'm enjoying the fact that this is giving the political elite nightmares, and they've been forced to focus on the masses, right now they are scrambling to get the wind from WSR but that ship has sailed. The best they can do right now is to come up with alternative policies that directly impact the working poor.

If they do so, the greatest beneficary will be Kenyans and will shift the political rhetoric from ethnicity to economic issues!
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this is a lie and you know it, why are opposing voices from his backyard are being told they're spoiling for their son?
 
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Okiya

Elder Lister
Pseudonyms said:
My friend, I just did!

Of course it's nothing new. The Chinese, the US, Korea, and such have done it.

Empower a million hustlers/working class people, reap great from the resulting small taxes from each.

Rather than, empower 10 billionaires and tax the still impoverished hustlers/working class people.
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But what you mentioned are Kibaki's policies. I asked for WSR's specific economic policies tuzichambue. For instance when they say empower hustlers and working class people, what does that mean?
 
Ngimanene na Muchere

Ngimanene na Muchere

Elder Lister
Okiya said:
There are matters in that BBI that cannot be passed by parliament only. 35% can be passed by parliament. But the new prime minister and the other positions have to come to the people
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So why is Konyagi forgetting to mention pm position but remembers the 35%? Why can't the piecemeal parts that require parliamentary legislation be passed? HELB, tax breaks, 35‰ to counties? Gavament people @Clemens @Cabaye Captain some help in understanding this?
 
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Luther12

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I dunno about you guys but for me, any leader expecting my vote will have to elucidate on matters agriculture. A majority of our people are farmers and fixing it has the potential to uplift the lives of the greatest number in one fell swoop. But I digress.

The effectiveness of a deputy/ vice is often closely tied, and therefore limited and highly dependent on his boss. UK doesn’t look like the kind of leader who would let his deputy eclipse him, and I’m sure WSR is cognizant of that fact. So those asking what he has achieved are being a bit disingenuous. And no, I’ve never been his fan tangu zile enzi Za YK92.

A similar question would easily be asked of UK himself. Or even Kibaki.
 
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Mwalimu-G said:
How naive can we be? Didn't the same people promising to make these changes enrich themselves via the same state capture they are promising to remove?
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Which "same" people are we discussing, the BBI people promising to make changes or the hasora camp?

Regardless of the people you have in mind, are you suggesting that there's a single person in the current political line up who hasn't enriched himself via state capture?
I'd consider that belief extreme naiveté or foolishness to say the least. All the political elite and their families made their wealth through having unfettered access to state largesse!

But the point your missing by a mile, is that the difference, at this particular point in time, is that the focus is on the working poor and economic policies as opposed to the usual focus on politicians and political seats!
 
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