Swali kwa WSR die hards

DeepInYourMind

DeepInYourMind

Elder Lister
I've been having a hard time understanding what you stand for. In most of your discussions you seem fixated on what Uhuru or RAO did wrong. And then you finish off by quoting mysterious sayings, some from the holy book.

I like keeping an open mind looking at all matters rationally, and sometimes I do get insights I wouldn't get otherwise. Can I get your viewpoint, without bringing in Raila or Uhuru, on why you stand for Ruto
 
Mwalimu-G

Mwalimu-G

Elder Lister
DeepInYourMind said:
I've been having a hard time understanding what you stand for. In most of your discussions you seem fixated on what Uhuru or RAO did wrong. And then you finish off by quoting mysterious sayings, some from the holy book.

I like keeping an open mind looking at all matters rationally, and sometimes I do get insights I wouldn't get otherwise. Can I get your viewpoint, without bringing in Raila or Uhuru, on why you stand for Ruto
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Good luck with this tough order.
 
wrongturn

wrongturn

Elder Lister
DeepInYourMind said:
I've been having a hard time understanding what you stand for. In most of your discussions you seem fixated on what Uhuru or RAO did wrong. And then you finish off by quoting mysterious sayings, some from the holy book.

I like keeping an open mind looking at all matters rationally, and sometimes I do get insights I wouldn't get otherwise. Can I get your viewpoint, without bringing in Raila or Uhuru, on why you stand for Ruto
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summed up here
 
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Okiya

Elder Lister
The parents of my second wife are WSR diehards. We discuss politics and me huskia kuwachapa viboko. but I love their daughter.

Anyway, to your question, WSR people have been convinced of bottom up economy. Bottom up economy is just devolution but with a sexy name. But when Uhuru says he wants to take a minimum of 35% to counties watu wanakasirika.
 
Denis Young

Denis Young

Elder Lister
wrongturn said:
summed up here
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I see this type of posts and it just confirms what I know to be true. The middle-class and upper class wannabes are the most deluded lot.

When you draw the economic pyramid who occupies the largest base? Yes. The lower class. Have you ever sat down and had a conversation with these lot?

How do you tell someone who has probably not gone to to highschool how adding more MP's to parliament increases our recurrent expenditure when we are borrowing to actually fund that recurrent expenditure? All they hear is more MP's more CDF, more bursaries etc.

These are the people who define the direction of the state. These are the ones who decide who is president while the rest of us are talking about policies and corruption and will probably not even vote.

When was the last time you attended a political rally?

How did Sonko become governor of our capital? How did waititu become a governor? How does Atwoli keep being re-elected?

The moment policies start to matter is when the middle class start getting involved in the politics of the country.
 
Ngimanene na Muchere

Ngimanene na Muchere

Elder Lister
Okiya said:
The parents of my second wife are WSR diehards. We discuss politics and me huskia kuwachapa viboko. but I love their daughter.

Anyway, to your question, WSR people have been convinced of bottom up economy. Bottom up economy is just devolution but with a sexy name. But when Uhuru says he wants to take a minimum of 35% to counties watu wanakasirika.
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Watu hawakasiriki juu ya hii, it`s what it`s packaged in?. A rose surrounded by poop. Secondly he increased allotment to counties without a referendum in 2013, what`s different this time?
 
Denis Young

Denis Young

Elder Lister
Okiya said:
The parents of my second wife are WSR diehards. We discuss politics and me huskia kuwachapa viboko. but I love their daughter.

Anyway, to your question, WSR people have been convinced of bottom up economy. Bottom up economy is just devolution but with a sexy name. But when Uhuru says he wants to take a minimum of 35% to counties watu wanakasirika.
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Come on. That is not all what bottom up economy is.
 
Pseudonyms

Pseudonyms

Elder Lister
DeepInYourMind said:
I've been having a hard time understanding what you stand for.
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Empowering the working people, private enterprises, village industry, first.

Not first giving all national wealth to a few rich individuals and international players for megaprojects that leave shiny monuments and poverty.

That is, from down up economic model.

In other countries, you would hear it termed as "focusing on the working class", which is a fool-proof way of eradicating poverty.

Do you now understand?
 
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Othello

Elder Lister
Okiya said:
Anyway, to your question, WSR people have been convinced of bottom up economy. Bottom up economy is just devolution but with a sexy name. But when Uhuru says he wants to take a minimum of 35% to counties watu wanakasirika.
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Nothing like Bottom top economy. Kenyan politics is based on tribes and false promises. If you ask anyone how bottom top approach really is ataeleza nini? but you'll hear a lot of "tuliahidi" and makasiriko in the mix
 
Pseudonyms

Pseudonyms

Elder Lister
Okiya said:
Bottom up economy is just devolution but with a sexy name
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You couldn't be more wrong. You are deliberately wrong and happy about it. It's a sorry situation. Please change.

Let me illustrate a Kibaki policy that, despite its downsides, earns GoK a sizeable income.

Kibaki more or less did away with prohibitive taxes on importation of nduthis. This necessitated opening up of spare parts shops. This in turn meant there was vacancies for nduthi mechanics. Income from this "industry" invest their earnings in other fields.

Now, million nduthis paying at least 10bob in taxes from petrol daily is at least 10 million. Several times that amount is collected from the spare parts shops and other ventures born from the industry. That way, Kibaki was able to fund free education, physical infrastructure, and such.

Now our Uhuru would first borrow to build roads and ports, then tax nduthi imports, and then tax nduthi spare parts shops, then tax the shops landlords, then tax petrol more when nduthi imports dry up, and when the industry folds up, tax unga and milk more, and when that is not enough to pay Peter, borrow from Paul to settle the debt.
 
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Okiya

Elder Lister
Pseudonyms said:
You couldn't be more wrong. You are deliberately wrong and happy about it. It's a sorry situation. Please change.

Let me illustrate a Kibaki policy that, despite its downsides, earns GoK a sizeable income.

Kibaki more or less did away with prohibitive taxes on importation of nduthis. This necessitated opening up of spare parts shops. This in turn meant there was vacancies for nduthi mechanics. Income from this "industry" invest their earnings in other fields.

Now, million nduthis paying at least 10bob in taxes from petrol daily is at least 10 million. Several times that amount is collected from the spare parts shops and other ventures born from the industry. That way, Kibaki was able to fund free education, physical infrastructure, and such.

Now our Uhuru would first borrow to build roads and ports, then tax nduthi imports, and then tax nduthi spare parts shops, then tax the shops landlords, then tax petrol more when nduthi imports dry up, and when the industry folds up, tax unga and milk more, and when that is not enough to pay Peter, borrow from Paul to settle the debt.
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Tell us about WSR's bottom up economic model and I will prove to you nothing is new.
 
Mwalimu-G

Mwalimu-G

Elder Lister
Okiya said:
Tell us about WSR's bottom up economic model and I will prove to you nothing is new.
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I have also been waiting for the specifics - not this slogan like the WIN-WIN the other day that was nothing but fence sitting when leadership was required.
 
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