Hadi POTUS ametambua Bottom Up!

[Aviator]

Solutions are not "nothing". Though invisible and physically untouchable, they have a value, and that value is something.

Imagine Guoka thinks products are only physical outputs. Very dinouserial thinking.
And he has the temerity to post such bullshit at 4 in the morning.

PS: nimekunywa magurukia for breakfast.

 

[The.Black.Templar]

Unfortunately, before the "widespread technology transfer and international education and interaction" happens, a society will first have to feed itself fully. That's agrarian. It is labour intensive and occupies a majority of the population to feed the society. Over time, mechanization occurs, freeing some labour to take up industrial activities and thus cut imports. At this point, technology transfer may take place and the industrial phase may be swift as compared to the nations of yore.

It will be very hard, almost impossible, for a country like Kenya to move straight to service overnight.

Hapa kenya, it is more profitable to subdivide land and sell it for profit instead of farming

 

[Field Marshal]

Good discussion....

 

[Aviator]

Hapa kenya, it is more profitable to subdivide land and sell it for profit instead of farming

Farming in small or medium scale is never profitable.
It's just enough to feed you. Nothing more

 

[The.Black.Templar]

Farming in small or medium scale is never profitable.
It's just enough to feed you. Nothing more

You misunderstand, you subdivide land as an investment to sell later at a higher profit, not for farming...and if you do farming it is not for profit.

There is no investment that has higher returns than selling and buying land at the moment in the country

 

[Aviator]

You misunderstand, you subdivide land as an investment to sell later at a higher profit, not for farming...and if you do farming it is not for profit.

There is no investment that has higher returns than selling and buying land at the moment in the country

And that does not help the country develop.
There's no production

 

[Sambamba]

Your assertion works only for a closed society without any external influence whatsoever. That natural evolutionary path and order has been distorted by widespread technology transfer and international education and interaction.

Nope.. That is how everyone developed and Africa will not invent some new trajectory.

Hio natural evolutionary path ni gani? Tech transfer ni either forced or stealing to advance your industry. Everyone from the US to Germany to Japan to China did it and so should we. Hakuna shortcut.

Let's interrogate your theory that tunaweza ruka to service economy.

If you look at oecd countries the average % of population with tertiary education is 40%.

Ours is only 3.5 % so what service economy can you run with such an uneducated populace?

Only mass factories can absorb our workers who are overwhelmingly form 4 leavers as we invest in education to raise the percentage of people with tertiary education.
It normally takes 2 generations to get to 40%

 

[Montecarlo]

It used to be like that, and I don't begrudge an alphabet fossil for thinking like a dinosaur.

However in the new knowledge economy weath can be created by producing nothing but solutions in the service industry. Think financial services that make Britain and Switzerland trillions. Think ICT. Even think tourism.

So there's a second path.

Ukiondokea dirty titties....your thought process huwa timam

 

[The.Black.Templar]

And that does not help the country develop.
There's no production

Farming is just not profitable in the country, we forgot to consider the farming value chain in our regulations and tax implementations...it is plainly cheaper to import food than farm locally.

 

[Montecarlo]

You misunderstand, you subdivide land as an investment to sell later at a higher profit, not for farming...and if you do farming it is not for profit.

There is no investment that has higher returns than selling and buying land at the moment in the country

Is it sustainable and don't you think the speculative nature of such transactions have facilitated a rise in corruption?

 

[Montecarlo]

Farming is just not profitable in the country, we forgot to consider the farming value chain in our regulations and tax implementations...it is plainly cheaper to import food than farm locally.

Actually the policies recently passed by Uhuru if not reversed will greatly affect farming....
And it is not that the government forgot anything...private interests took centre stage on matters agriculture

 

[Montecarlo]

Nope.. That is how everyone developed and Africa will not invent some new trajectory.

Hio natural evolutionary path ni gani? Tech transfer ni either forced or stealing to advance your industry. Everyone from the US to Germany to Japan to China did it and so should we. Hakuna shortcut.

Let's interrogate your theory that tunaweza ruka to service economy.

If you look at oecd countries the average % of population with tertiary education is 40%.

Ours is only 3.5 % so what service economy can you run with such an uneducated populace?

Only mass factories can absorb our workers who are overwhelmingly form 4 leavers as we invest in education to raise the percentage of people with tertiary education.
It normally takes 2 generations to get to 40%

For us to benefit from manufacturing sector we must have comparative advantages. We don't, even in the textile industry. We must find a way of not only readjusting our tax rates or bases but also of managing the total cost of doing business...
Can't export if your products - goods that is are more expensive that your competitors.

 

[The.Black.Templar]

Is it sustainable and don't you think the speculative nature of such transactions have facilitated a rise in corruption?

It is not sustainable obviously, however, remember all this is driven from within gavament...remember when a WB valuer submitted land values on Julie gichuru Road and the gavament basically trashed that report and trippled the value of land quoted by that independent valuer?, SGR payments too on overvalued land?

 

[Okiya]

From what am reading, it appears we are all in agreement that bottoms up in Kenya is hot air. Wild goose chase

 

[Mwalimu-G]

That is how everyone developed and Africa will not invent some new trajectory.

Now, are you telling me that a guy needing to mill some corn in my neighbourhood will need to get stones, then a water or wind mill, then steam, then diesel, then power or he will jump to the latest China model with mechatronic controls?
Have you heard of disruptors in technology?

 

[Aviator]

Now, are you telling me that a guy needing to mill some corn in my neighbourhood will need to get stones, then a water or wind mill, then steam, then diesel, then power or he will jump to the latest China model with mechatronic controls?
Have you heard of disruptors in technology?

Aren't you comparing apples and oranges?
Whatever he uses to mill is mechanization of some kind.
And he won't jump from pestle and mortar to manufacturing concentrated nutritional pills overnight.

 

[Ubongo]

Farming is just not profitable in the country, we forgot to consider the farming value chain in our regulations and tax implementations...it is plainly cheaper to import food than farm locally.

Unfortunately, we can't industrialise without feeding our people as it has been said above. We need to put our vast lands under irrigation.
The weatherman has already predicted doom....no enough rainfall....I doubt even the subsidized fertilizer will help without enough rainfall

 

[The.Black.Templar]

Unfortunately, we can't industrialise without feeding our people as it has been said above. We need to put our vast lands under irrigation.
The weatherman has already predicted doom....no enough rainfall....I doubt even the subsidized fertilizer will help without enough rainfall

Machakos county has drilled more than 400 boreholes, you would think that they are now farming more intensely....

 

[Aviator]

Machakos county has drilled more than 400 boreholes, you would think that they are now farming more intensely....

Compared to earlier years, how are they faring? Of late sijaskia ukambani wakiita serikali saidia

 

[The.Black.Templar]

Compared to earlier years, how are they faring? Of late sijaskia ukambani wakiita serikali saidia

I don't know, it would be great to have an impact assessments of those boreholes