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Chief on:
Item 1: Our lakeside brothers heckled Kenyatta because of his political differences with Jaramogi. Differences that were actually of his own creation and that Kenyatta through Mboya exploited. They had the option of shutting up after all they had never benefitted from Jaramogi even when he was friends with Jommo.
Item 2: I see you qualified the statement to include other Kenyans but I don't recall our Kavirondo brothers being active during the Kenyatta years other than during trade union elections and even then it was brief. Moi era as far as I know Shikuku, Matiba, Njoya, Wamalwa were not Luos....what Raila tried in 1982 was stupid of him.
Item 3: The genesis and progression of violence is well documented let us not argue stupidly. Luos opted to kill kukuyus and loot their businesses. No luo was killed in most parts of central. None of their property was looted. If you are of a different opinion, bring the evidence...
Let me copy-paste this for you, in case you decide not to click the link.Item 3: The genesis and progression of violence is well documented let us not argue stupidly. Luos opted to kill kukuyus and loot their businesses. No luo was killed in most parts of central. None of their property was looted. If you are of a different opinion, bring the evidence...
I went along just to pretend that I was with them. I saw a man cut, and a house burned, the one with all the people in. It was around twelve in the afternoon. The house was surrounded by a mob. You can't tell who lit the fire, there were too many people surrounding the place and watching. But I saw boys go in and take the kids out of the house before the place was set on fire with the man left in there. But they did not know that in the back room were hiding more people.[163]
Chief you have an issue with understanding simple English. I have asked you who started the looting and killing? Were Kikuyus supposed to sit on their hands?Jomo also had the option of leaving Kisumu and letting the people be. How tiny was his ego that he had his presidential guard shoot people who heckled him? Did people had to die because jomo felt they did not like him?
How pathetic or hateful does one have to be to justify shooting unarmed civilians?
You don't recall simply because you were not interested in what went on there, or with whoever was from there. Here is a reminder. People like Hezekiah Oyugi, Dalmas Otieno, David Amayo who was at one time kanu chairman were pitted against other Luo politicos to keep them fighting.
At that time, Moi was dividing districts according to dominant clans like Rachuonyo, Suba, Kuria, Migori and others to keep them isolated. The recurring clashes of the Nandi and the police on one side, and the Luo, Luhyas and Kisiis on the other. Here is something you can read.
https://shalomconflictcenter.org/briefing-paper-no-7-an-analysis-of-luo-nandi-conflict/
Your only interest in this matter is Raila.
Perhaps the best demonstration of this is the murder of Baby Pendo while she was securely tied to her mother's back, inside her own home.
So the Luos who died in Naivasha were killed by who exactly? Madimoni?
Good thing is, you can't cover up what is perfectly documented...
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Ballots to Bullets
Ballots to Bullets Organized Political Violence and Kenya's Crisis of Governance Summary Recommendations Methodology. 23 Map of Kenya.www.hrw.org
Don't count Hezikiah Oyugi because alot of Kikuyus in the army lost their jobs for a matter that was poorly thought out and hence foolish...Jomo also had the option of leaving Kisumu and letting the people be. How tiny was his ego that he had his presidential guard shoot people who heckled him? Did people had to die because jomo felt they did not like him?
How pathetic or hateful does one have to be to justify shooting unarmed civilians?
You don't recall simply because you were not interested in what went on there, or with whoever was from there. Here is a reminder. People like Hezekiah Oyugi, Dalmas Otieno, David Amayo who was at one time kanu chairman were pitted against other Luo politicos to keep them fighting.
At that time, Moi was dividing districts according to dominant clans like Rachuonyo, Suba, Kuria, Migori and others to keep them isolated. The recurring clashes of the Nandi and the police on one side, and the Luo, Luhyas and Kisiis on the other. Here is something you can read.
https://shalomconflictcenter.org/briefing-paper-no-7-an-analysis-of-luo-nandi-conflict/
Your only interest in this matter is Raila.
Perhaps the best demonstration of this is the murder of Baby Pendo while she was securely tied to her mother's back, inside her own home.
So the Luos who died in Naivasha were killed by who exactly? Madimoni?
Good thing is, you can't cover up what is perfectly documented...
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Ballots to Bullets
Ballots to Bullets Organized Political Violence and Kenya's Crisis of Governance Summary Recommendations Methodology. 23 Map of Kenya.www.hrw.org
It looks like comprehensioin is an utter bitch for you. Which part of this quoted statement implies you were asking who started the looting and killing?Chief you have an issue with understanding simple English. I have asked you who started the looting and killing? Were Kikuyus supposed to sit on their hands?
Just use 0.0000001 of your brain
Item 3: The genesis and progression of violence is well documented let us not argue stupidly. Luos opted to kill kukuyus and loot their businesses. No luo was killed in most parts of central. None of their property was looted. If you are of a different opinion, bring the evidence...
Again, just to prove that your only interest in this matter was to put down Raila and Luos, there is a very big difference between Hezekiah Oyugi and Hezekiah Ochuka.Don't count Hezikiah Oyugi because alot of Kikuyus in the army lost their jobs for a matter that was poorly thought out and hence foolish...
Politics is perception.The old man is a very calculating and cold person. The way he works an entire region into a frenzy baffles me.
Modern day liberation struggle it may seem Luopeans have suffered more , i have observed that Kiuks have paid a very very heavy price, being in "government" has actually been the heaviest fallacy. When the 1952 emergency started they have never left it psychologically, financially, culturally even geographically (land adjudication/injustice) The academic system has been structured to accept and move on. The political class/elite has betrayed Kenyans but Kikuyu elite/dynasty has failed their people and the nation.Wacha tuone who will pick up the mantle ya #LindaKatiba. If anything, it is the Luo who have bled most for the freedoms we enioy in this country. They should be the ones to vehemently defend the constitution as it is. Let us hope those signatures were forgeries na kitaeleweka kwa debe.
Sometimes I just wonder where Kenya would have been by now if we had a leader in the mould of Lee Kuan Yew. Yes he wasn't perfect but at least he ensured his country grew.Modern day liberation struggle it may seem Luopeans have suffered more , i have observed that Kiuks have paid a very very heavy price, being in "government" has actually been the heaviest fallacy. When the 1952 emergency started they have never left it psychologically, financially, culturally even geographically (land adjudication/injustice) The academic system has been structured to accept and move on. The political class/elite has betrayed Kenyans but Kikuyu elite/dynasty has failed their people and the nation.
I maybe wrong but i see Raila as a lucky opportunist, huwa anaangukia sometimes.What I have never understood is why Luos always bet on the same loosing horse for 30 consecutive years. On the other hand, there is not record of Merus betting on a looser. That is bets way to most benefit politically in Kenya with minimum amount of input.
Ahem. . . . Naivasha is not in central its actually in RVSo the Luos who died in Naivasha were killed by who exactly? Madimoni?
Good thing is, you can't cover up what is perfectly documented...
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Ballots to Bullets
Ballots to Bullets Organized Political Violence and Kenya's Crisis of Governance Summary Recommendations Methodology. 23 Map of Kenya.www.hrw.org