Senator Mutula Kilonzo Junior claims that Uhuru and Ruto may be pretending to have fallen out in order to weaken NASA coalition.

Meria

Meria

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Denis Young said:
It is a good theory but I highly doubt it. There was a legitimate attempt to push BBI through which would have established a constitutionally backed pentagon.

Why would Uhuru go to those lengths when all it would have taken is to make sure the Big 4 agenda was implemented successfully for Jubilee/Ruto to gain favor with the masses?

Similarly, what would be the point of popularizing a new party when Jubilee was already a Juggernaut? Are you then saying all these politicians who constantly insult Ruto are part of this big elaborate plan to get Ruto the presidency?

I am more inclined to believe that the Uhuru is just trying to maintain the status quo. Even though the Odinga's, Moi's and Kenyatta's are competing against each other, these elites all have similar interests. They sip expensive whiskeys in their private room together and laugh and in then play to the gallery, split and consolidate the vote.

Ruto is the outsider here in terms of elitism. Is he guaranteed to protect Raila's business interests? Uhuru's? Moi's? Maybe yes, maybe no!

In my opinion all we are seeing here is three elite families coming together to protect their wealth. Simple!
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What is plan B for BBI?
 
shocks

shocks

Elder Lister
Denis Young said:
It is a good theory but I highly doubt it. There was a legitimate attempt to push BBI through which would have established a constitutionally backed pentagon.

Why would Uhuru go to those lengths when all it would have taken is to make sure the Big 4 agenda was implemented successfully for Jubilee/Ruto to gain favor with the masses?

Similarly, what would be the point of popularizing a new party when Jubilee was already a Juggernaut? Are you then saying all these politicians who constantly insult Ruto are part of this big elaborate plan to get Ruto the presidency?

I am more inclined to believe that the Uhuru is just trying to maintain the status quo. Even though the Odinga's, Moi's and Kenyatta's are competing against each other, these elites all have similar interests. They sip expensive whiskeys in their private room together and laugh and in then play to the gallery, split and consolidate the vote.

Ruto is the outsider here in terms of elitism. Is he guaranteed to protect Raila's business interests? Uhuru's? Moi's? Maybe yes, maybe no!

In my opinion all we are seeing here is three elite families coming together to protect their wealth. Simple!
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In your wisdom you claim Ruto is not an elite, alikula maindi choma kwa road side akakua stragula!
 
Duke of Busia

Duke of Busia

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Am not on Twitter but zile attachment mnawekanga hapa I clicked and happened to see the same comment by junior during the kiambaa by elections
 
Denis Young

Denis Young

Elder Lister
Meria said:
What is plan B for BBI?
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I gave my opinion on this on another thread. BBI in my opinion is dead but that does not stop the proponents from trying to force the other side to the negotiating table. The precedent is already set. Remember the machozi monday IEBC demos?

The Raila coalition will try and force the other contesting party to the table to agree on pre-election reforms and without a doubt some of these BBI recommendations will feature heavily.

Expect a lot of mudslinging at the referee/IEBC to set the tone for a contested election outcome. It is the weakest link at the moment.
 
Mr Black

Mr Black

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Denis Young said:
It is a good theory but I highly doubt it. There was a legitimate attempt to push BBI through which would have established a constitutionally backed pentagon.

Why would Uhuru go to those lengths when all it would have taken is to make sure the Big 4 agenda was implemented successfully for Jubilee/Ruto to gain favor with the masses?

Similarly, what would be the point of popularizing a new party when Jubilee was already a Juggernaut? Are you then saying all these politicians who constantly insult Ruto are part of this big elaborate plan to get Ruto the presidency?

I am more inclined to believe that the Uhuru is just trying to maintain the status quo. Even though the Odinga's, Moi's and Kenyatta's are competing against each other, these elites all have similar interests. They sip expensive whiskeys in their private room together and laugh and in then play to the gallery, split and consolidate the vote.

Ruto is the outsider here in terms of elitism. Is he guaranteed to protect Raila's business interests? Uhuru's? Moi's? Maybe yes, maybe no!

In my opinion all we are seeing here is three elite families coming together to protect their wealth. Simple!
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What would UhuRuto's chances have looked like now if the status quo had been maintained in 2017? With the economy headed for the gutter, monstrous unexplainable debt and no promises fulfilled?

This could very well be a ploy by UhuRuto to sanitise Ruto by pinning all the blame and more (BBIchieth) on Kenyatta, victimise him for good effect to mine the sympath vein, humans being humans always have a soft spot for an underdog giving Ruto a better shot than he could dream of.

Whatever the case, don't believe for a moment that Ruto is pro-the people, he is a staunch elitist!
 
Budspencer

Budspencer

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Mr Black said:
This could very well be a ploy by UhuRuto to sanitise Ruto by pinning all the blame and more (BBIchieth) on Kenyatta, victimise him for good effect to mine the sympath vein, humans being humans always have a soft spot for an underdog giving Ruto a better shot than he could dream of.
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Coming to think of it, hakuna CS wa Sugoi ameonyeshwa mlango. There have been talks of reshuffling and appointment of ODMers to the cabinet but hatujaona.


Denis Young said:
The Raila coalition will try and force the other contesting party to the table ...........without a doubt some of these BBI recommendations will feature heavily.
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If these recommendations aren't captured in CoK 2010, then ni minyambo za punda.
 
Denis Young

Denis Young

Elder Lister
Mr Black said:
What would UhuRuto's chances have looked like now if the status quo had been maintained in 2017? With the economy headed for the gutter, monstrous unexplainable debt and no promises fulfilled?

This could very well be a ploy by UhuRuto to sanitise Ruto by pinning all the blame and more (BBIchieth) on Kenyatta, victimise him for good effect to mine the sympath vein, humans being humans always have a soft spot for an underdog giving Ruto a better shot than he could dream of.

Whatever the case, don't believe for a moment that Ruto is pro-the people, he is a staunch elitist!
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When I call the Moi, Odinga, and Kenyatta families elitists, this is what I mean. If you talk about who owns Kenya, who stands out? These families have their hands in virtually every sector of the economy as well as factors of production and I would argue, Uhuru has taken advantage of his presidency to consolidate that position even further.

Ruto is the Jomo/Daniel Moi of his family tree. He is basically the new generation of elites that displaces the old one and that is why they are coming together to fight him.

As for if the status quo had remained, Jubilee 1 had many failures but equally many positives. When Jubilee's manifesto was launched I said to my parents, people should be ready to tighten their belts.

The second term's manifesto would have helped consolidate the gains of the first. Where did the EPZ's along the SGR that would have created employment and created products for export thus giving the rail value? Universal healthcare? Housing project that has so far delivered just a portion of the annual target.

We are still focusing on major infrastructural projects which has led to the continous ballooning of debt and increased taxation.
 
mZENDE

mZENDE

Elder Lister
Budspencer said:
Coming to think of it, hakuna CS wa Sugoi ameonyeshwa mlango. There have been talks of reshuffling and appointment of ODMers to the cabinet but hatujaona.



If these recommendations aren't captured in CoK 2010, then ni minyambo za punda.
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Quite interesting to note
 
stanmwa

stanmwa

Senior Lister
Denis Young said:
It is a good theory but I highly doubt it. There was a legitimate attempt to push BBI through which would have established a constitutionally backed pentagon.

Why would Uhuru go to those lengths when all it would have taken is to make sure the Big 4 agenda was implemented successfully for Jubilee/Ruto to gain favor with the masses?

Similarly, what would be the point of popularizing a new party when Jubilee was already a Juggernaut? Are you then saying all these politicians who constantly insult Ruto are part of this big elaborate plan to get Ruto the presidency?

I am more inclined to believe that the Uhuru is just trying to maintain the status quo. Even though the Odinga's, Moi's and Kenyatta's are competing against each other, these elites all have similar interests. They sip expensive whiskeys in their private room together and laugh and in then play to the gallery, split and consolidate the vote.

Ruto is the outsider here in terms of elitism. Is he guaranteed to protect Raila's business interests? Uhuru's? Moi's? Maybe yes, maybe no!

In my opinion all we are seeing here is three elite families coming together to protect their wealth. Simple!
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We put. What most people do not know is that Uhuru is not his own man. Never was. He represents his extended family. Does as they wish. We all know that Kenyattas play no games. Never. Especially those that will antagonize the moi family.
 
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