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bigDog

Elder Lister
Your sentiments sound convincing especially after listening to Jeremiah Kioni extensively after polling was done.
However, again I ask, what is the value of a delicious cake laden with poison? The bloated executive they intended to implement as an inclusivity tool was in fact, a cheeky campaign tool which would have effectively taken a large share of our taxes and Kenyans saw through their deception. If they really had the people's interest at heart, then we would have happily supported BBI. This is a conversation we have had in this kijiji many, many times.
What seat was Mudavadi promised? Wasn't it a PM all but in a name? What stops Ruto from giving him additional salary, benefits and a motorcade to make him look like a PM?

Our people bought into lies that creating 3 more executive seats would deplete state resources. Remember uhuru created some deputy cabinet positions za akina Shebesh. How much did that cost?
 

bigDog

Elder Lister
Those were ruled as illegal and unconstitutional
My point is that any president can craft his cabinet in a way that 'creates a PM position'. He could give all the perks and retain the power to hire and fire. What the BBI framers wanted was to have a constitutional protection for that position.

Ruto has created a PM position for Mudavadi. MTA do?

This is the same forest with the same monkeys. 😁
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
My point is that any president can craft his cabinet in a way that 'creates a PM position'. He could give all the perks and retain the power to hire and fire. What the BBI framers wanted was to have a constitutional protection for that position.

Ruto has created a PM position for Mudavadi. MTA do?

This is the same forest with the same monkeys. 😁
What is your complaint about? Ruto was competing with an opponent that was promising the same positions and even more which you were supporting and he had to compete on that same level....so why is it now a problem?
 

bigDog

Elder Lister
Now you are just making up things. Ruto has on many occasions said that he wants to implement the constitution fully. That includes devolving of functions stipulated in the constitution, and as we know resources follow functions.

It is only after 12th September that we will know for sure if he intends to keep his word once he is inaugurated.
When did he ever support the one man, one shilling one vote issue? Do you have any evidence to show that Ruto ever wanted people from Mt Kenya to benefit from such an arrangement?
 

bigDog

Elder Lister
What is your complaint about? Ruto was competing with an opponent that was promising the same positions and even more which you were supporting and he had to compete on that same level....so why is it now a problem?
So his complaint of a bloated executive was a lie. He is benefiting from a bloated executive while people from Mt Kenya region continue suffering from oppression because they are ignored. They are underrepresented and they are net exporters of taxes. That's genius level thinking! Kudos!

Who votes against their own interests? Why do some people hate themselves so much?
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
So his complaint of a bloated executive was a lie. He is benefiting from a bloated executive while people from Mt Kenya region continue suffering from oppression because they are ignored. They are underrepresented and they are net exporters of taxes. That's genius level thinking! Kudos!

Who votes against their own interests? Why do some people hate themselves so much?
Hueleweki....aren't you the people who wanted to vote for a bloated executive? So what is your rant about?
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
Stop pretending to have comprehension skills of a third grader 😁.
Just answer the question, let us address your concerns, you were supporting a bloated executive and you were supporting azimio which had promised similar positions....why are you now ranting that Ruto has now given mdvd a similar position?
 

bigDog

Elder Lister
Just answer the question, let us address your concerns, you were supporting a bloated executive and you were supporting azimio which had promised similar positions....why are you now ranting that Ruto has now given mdvd a similar position?
I have answered that question above. Why can't you read that response?
 
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Denis Young

Elder Lister
When did he ever support the one man, one shilling one vote issue? Do you have any evidence to show that Ruto ever wanted people from Mt Kenya to benefit from such an arrangement?
Hiyo masaa ya kuingia archives ndio sina. What I know for a fact is that Ruto called for a win-win. Because if you decide to use the population figures solely, there are places in this country that will be left with begging bowls perpetually.
 

bigDog

Elder Lister
Hiyo masaa ya kuingia archives ndio sina. What I know for a fact is that Ruto called for a win-win. Because if you decide to use the population figures solely, there are places in this country that will be left with begging bowls perpetually.
You cant find any evidence to support that purported win-win because it does not exist. All you'll find is lies and propaganda.

Our people cannot be breaking their backs to raise taxes for the benefit of others. When oil was discovered in Turkana, the community there got a share of revenue earned. Why can't Mt Kenya region get a fair share for it's population?

 

Mr Black

Elder Lister
What seat was Mudavadi promised? Wasn't it a PM all but in a name? What stops Ruto from giving him additional salary, benefits and a motorcade to make him look like a PM?

Our people bought into lies that creating 3 more executive seats would deplete state resources. Remember uhuru created some deputy cabinet positions za akina Shebesh. How much did that cost?
Mudavadi will essentially play the same role Matiang'i has been doing for the last 3 years but as a CS which has no impact on his salary, he may have a bigger motorcade depending on security needs and more staff.

The advantage in this arrangement is in its clarity, he is the president's appointee and can be replaced unlike the BBI one which was mired in confusion, plus it is temporary and can be scrapped if it doesn't work out.
 

bigDog

Elder Lister
Mudavadi will essentially play the same role Matiang'i has been doing for the last 3 years but as a CS which has no impact on his salary, he may have a bigger motorcade depending on security needs and more staff.

The advantage in this arrangement is in its clarity, he is the president's appointee and can be replaced unlike the BBI one which was mired in confusion, plus it is temporary and can be scrapped if it doesn't work out.
Precisely! We get a PM through the back door.
 
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