Kenyan students in 1's and 2's after Trump's directive that they should leave the country.

Sharoo

Lister
An order by US President Donald Trump (right) requiring foreign students to leave the country in two months as universities across America switch to online courses has sparked anxiety among Kenyan learners.
Prof Kefa Otiso, a Kenyan lecturer at Bowling Green State University in Ohio, said Mr Trump’s directive is punitive.
“There is no justification in suddenly disrupting the lives of Kenyans in America,” he said.
The don added that the policies against foreigners by the Trump administration require attention and asked the Kenyan ambassador in Washington to send a protest note to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
Kenya Scholars and Studies Association president Jerono Rotich said more than 4,000 Kenyan students were in American universities and colleges in the 2019/20 academic year.
Harvard, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and several other universities have moved to the federal court to block the implementation of the order.
The universities say there is the risk of foreign students being detained or deported should they be deemed to have disobeyed the directive.
“That may bar their return to the United States for many years,” the universities say.
The Harvard-MIT lawsuit also argues that if the students are compelled to leave the US, they could, in theory, participate in online programmes from their countries but their research and learning would be inhibited by time zone variations, unavailable, unreliable, or state-managed Internet connections, and other barriers.
In some countries, online learning can be interrupted by unscheduled government suspension of internet access.
Ethiopia, for instance, is in the middle of such an internet suspension that began June 30.
Because of these challenges, many international students could abandon their studies, the universities argue.
They add that many US universities depend on international master’s and PhD students to teach their introductory and laboratory courses and conducting high value research.
The government of PM Narendra Modi in May directed that visas granted to foreigners, diplomatic, official, UN international organisations, employment and project categories would remain suspended until the restrictions are lifted.
 

Nattydread

Elder Lister
Si warudi, kwani shida iko wapi? Kenya has good internet access and they should not be complaining, they won't die. Wasikatalie nchi ya wenyewe, sio kwa mama yao
How come I'm not surprised by this cold-hearted remark. You now know 100% that the oaf hates anybody who is not white, blond and entitled like him. You do not have to be as pitiless as him to support him. Those students pay fees, and they're usually the best learners.

Could you spare 200 words to explain the logic behind this directive?
 

emali

Elder Lister
How come I'm not surprised by this cold-hearted remark. You now know 100% that the oaf hates anybody who is not white, blond and entitled like him. You do not have to be as pitiless as him to support him. Those students pay fees, and they're usually the best learners.

Could you spare 200 words to explain the logic behind this directive?
huyu nikama alinyimwa visa ya us... most of these students only afford the tuition fee because they work and study at the same time.. ukimrudisha kenya mtakuwa mnamfanyia harambee every academic year
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
How come I'm not surprised by this cold-hearted remark. You now know 100% that the oaf hates anybody who is not white, blond and entitled like him. You do not have to be as pitiless as him to support him. Those students pay fees, and they're usually the best learners.

Could you spare 200 words to explain the logic behind this directive?
Well, there is no difference now between them being in america and here in kenya, everybody is now doing online classes, so what is the logic ya kukatalia huko? Not unless you want to remain there illegally, wapotee huko ndani.
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
huyu nikama alinyimwa visa ya us... most of these students only afford the tuition fee because they work and study at the same time.. ukimrudisha kenya mtakuwa mnamfanyia harambee every academic year
Naah, america bado nitaenda siku moja. Anyway, i dont think kuna mtu alienda huko kujilipia fees not unless the parents are very rich here in Kenya, of which if they are then they can still study from their mansions here, others went to America on academic scholarship, of which ata wakirudi huku Kenya, the scholarship is still available and they can attend online classes for free, ata kama they went there on full scholarship, it will still be OK for them to come and study online kama watu wengine.

Have i missed anything?
 

emali

Elder Lister
Naah, america bado nitaenda siku moja. Anyway, i dont think kuna mtu alienda huko kujilipia fees not unless the parents are very rich here in Kenya, of which if they are then they can still study from their mansions here, others went to America on academic scholarship, of which ata wakirudi huku Kenya, the scholarship is still available and they can attend online classes for free, ata kama they went there on full scholarship, it will still be OK for them to come and study online kama watu wengine.

Have i missed anything?
wenye walipata scholarship sio wengi vile esp undergraduates wengi hujilipia fees... wanakula shift work usiku then attend school during the day or vice versa... so kuambia mtu kama huyo arudi kenya means end of school for him... of course kuna wale matajiri walipiwa fees na wazazi...hao hata wakirudi wataendelea tu online
 

Nattydread

Elder Lister
Well, there is no difference now between them being in america and here in kenya, everybody is now doing online classes, so what is the logic ya kukatalia huko? Not unless you want to remain there illegally, wapotee huko ndani.
I think that @emali's assesment of your position is correct. Una machungu ya ndani, as if the more Drumpf continues to hurt diverse group the better you feel. Not one deciion he has made since January 2017 can be said to have been driven by compassion.
 

Sharoo

Lister
Well, there is no difference now between them being in america and here in kenya, everybody is now doing online classes, so what is the logic ya kukatalia huko? Not unless you want to remain there illegally, wapotee huko ndani.
I thing you should understand also that there's the cost of travel,plus Kenyan network bado iko jini compared na ya huko,huko wifi's ndo sinatumika all through.
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
wenye walipata scholarship sio wengi vile esp undergraduates wengi hujilipia fees... wanakula shift work usiku then attend school during the day or vice versa... so kuambia mtu kama huyo arudi kenya means end of school for him... of course kuna wale matajiri walipiwa fees na wazazi...hao hata wakirudi wataendelea tu online
Those are the few, i do not think you can get a visa on the basis that you will go apply for a degree course and then look for work so you can afford to pay for it.

What i know is that you jave either proven that you can pay full school fees and can afford your own upkeep or you have been given a partial/academic scholarship. In both cases, doing a degree online from Kenya should be a better option.
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
I think that @emali's assesment of your position is correct. Una machungu ya ndani, as if the more Drumpf continues to hurt diverse group the better you feel. Not one deciion he has made since January 2017 can be said to have been driven by compassion.
Mimi sina machungu yeyote, i am just wondering why someone would start protesting in a foreign country to be allowed to stay even though the reason for staying is no longer there.
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
I thing you should understand also that there's the cost of travel,plus Kenyan network bado iko jini compared na ya huko,huko wifi's ndo sinatumika all through.
From what i hear from the american people who visit, kenya has very good internet connectivity
 

Nattydread

Elder Lister
The move received pushback from organizations representing higher-education institutions, including the Association of American Universities, with some noting that international students are also a boon for the U.S., contributing $45 billion to the economy in 2018, according to the Department of Commerce. University officials are scrambling to figure out how to handle the rule change.

 
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