The AG's rebuttal as summarized

Mwalimu-G

Elder Lister
*HIGHLIGHTS OF A.G’S STATEMENT IN RESPONSE TO CHIEF JUSTICE MARAGA’S STATEMENT*
🇰🇪There are clear direct communication lines between the Chief Justice, the Attorney General and the President, therefore public attacks of H.E the President by the Chief Justice are a breach of established norms of government and violate our system of governance and Constitutional democracy.
🇰🇪The Chief Justice is making public statements on matters that are in court and which may end up in the Supreme Court. Public statements violate sub-judice rule and are unusual and unorthodox.
🇰🇪The Attorney General has already appealed the High Court decision directing President to appoint all the 41 judges including those with adverse reports.
🇰🇪The Executive’s decision to appeal the judgment shows the President’s commitment to the rule of law and respect for the Courts and the Constitution which he swore to defend.
🇰🇪The delay in prosecuting the appeal is due to the Judiciary’s failure to provide typed proceedings to enable the Attorney General to prosecute the appeal.
🇰🇪On the role of the President in appointment of judges, the Executive does not believe that the President is merely a rubberstamp of recommendations of the JSC especially if such recommendation would undermine constitutional values.
🇰🇪This is a fundamental constitutional question that would easily (most likely) end up in the Supreme Court yet the President of the Supreme Court is already making pre-judicial and conclusive public statements on the matter.
🇰🇪The CJ claims that some of the individuals are already serving judges, but this is a question for the CJ as head of the Judiciary to answer not the President. (Note: The Judiciary has failed to institute disciplinary proceedings against the same judges. The Chief Justice is saying, its okay to have corrupt judges)
🇰🇪CJ’s statement is an attempt to hide from the fact that under his tenure the Judiciary has suffered case backlogs e.g corruption cases that have delayed in Courts and the President has highlighted this severally.
🇰🇪The allegation that there are 1 billion worth of court orders that have not been obeyed is not supported by any facts.
🇰🇪On Kariobangi evictions, the CJ intention is to whip up public emotions, the CJ has not provided facts about the order. The CJ knows that violation of orders is addressed in court through contempt of Court proceedings not emotional public pronouncements. Again the Chief Justice is pre-empting the outcome of ongoing cases.
🇰🇪On the allegation that the executive has court orders worth Kshs 1 billion that have not been obeyed/implemented…The A.G’s office has paid approximately Kshs 1.5 billion (Kshs 1,567.983,509.25) and as we speak pending bills worth Kshs 113 million are being processed.
🇰🇪The pending bills go back about 20 years and a task force was established to vet and recommend payments. Some claims have turned out to be FAKE. An example is a Kshs 80 Million claim where the Court file is not existent. In other instances, the pending bills (court orders) do not reflect our economic position and are not based on established jurisprudence.
🇰🇪The Executive is the custodian of public funds vetting before payment is prudent financial management.
🇰🇪Our constitutional democracy requires that all organs of Government work together in mutual respect and deference and the Chief Justice’s public statements against the President undermine this especially when they are based on misrepresentation, distortions and half-truths.
🇰🇪The Chief Justice has failed to cultivate the spirit of constructive consultation and instead resulted to grandstanding and populist brinkmanship with the Executive as his bogeyman.
🇰🇪The Judiciary’s leadership has failed to unlock critical corruption cases some of which involve influential judicial officers.
🇰🇪The Public attacks of the President and the Executive seek to erode the confidence the Executive has in the judiciary and put judicial officer into an anti-Executive mode…

*In summary*
✔️It is reckless for the Chief Justice to make a public statements without facts and based on half-truths just to whip up public emotions.
✔️On the appointment of 41 judges, the Executive has a different interpretation of the President’s role. The President is not a mere rubberstamp. Appointing judges who have adverse reports would be failing to respect and honour the Constitution. The President will not do that.
✔️There is an ongoing case on the appointment of 41 judges and the A.G’s appeal is pending but the Court has delayed to give typed proceedings so that the A.G can file the record of appeal.
✔️This matter may as well end-up in the Supreme Court and it is irresponsible for the Chief Justice to make a public statement with a very biased opinion of the matter.
✔️The President is not to blame for the backlog of cases, it is the Chief Justice who has failed to give proper leadership in the Judiciary for five years.
©️UNICORN EXPLAINER
 
*HIGHLIGHTS OF A.G’S STATEMENT IN RESPONSE TO CHIEF JUSTICE MARAGA’S STATEMENT*
🇰🇪There are clear direct communication lines between the Chief Justice, the Attorney General and the President, therefore public attacks of H.E the President by the Chief Justice are a breach of established norms of government and violate our system of governance and Constitutional democracy.
🇰🇪The Chief Justice is making public statements on matters that are in court and which may end up in the Supreme Court. Public statements violate sub-judice rule and are unusual and unorthodox.
🇰🇪The Attorney General has already appealed the High Court decision directing President to appoint all the 41 judges including those with adverse reports.
🇰🇪The Executive’s decision to appeal the judgment shows the President’s commitment to the rule of law and respect for the Courts and the Constitution which he swore to defend.
🇰🇪The delay in prosecuting the appeal is due to the Judiciary’s failure to provide typed proceedings to enable the Attorney General to prosecute the appeal.
🇰🇪On the role of the President in appointment of judges, the Executive does not believe that the President is merely a rubberstamp of recommendations of the JSC especially if such recommendation would undermine constitutional values.
🇰🇪This is a fundamental constitutional question that would easily (most likely) end up in the Supreme Court yet the President of the Supreme Court is already making pre-judicial and conclusive public statements on the matter.
🇰🇪The CJ claims that some of the individuals are already serving judges, but this is a question for the CJ as head of the Judiciary to answer not the President. (Note: The Judiciary has failed to institute disciplinary proceedings against the same judges. The Chief Justice is saying, its okay to have corrupt judges)
🇰🇪CJ’s statement is an attempt to hide from the fact that under his tenure the Judiciary has suffered case backlogs e.g corruption cases that have delayed in Courts and the President has highlighted this severally.
🇰🇪The allegation that there are 1 billion worth of court orders that have not been obeyed is not supported by any facts.
🇰🇪On Kariobangi evictions, the CJ intention is to whip up public emotions, the CJ has not provided facts about the order. The CJ knows that violation of orders is addressed in court through contempt of Court proceedings not emotional public pronouncements. Again the Chief Justice is pre-empting the outcome of ongoing cases.
🇰🇪On the allegation that the executive has court orders worth Kshs 1 billion that have not been obeyed/implemented…The A.G’s office has paid approximately Kshs 1.5 billion (Kshs 1,567.983,509.25) and as we speak pending bills worth Kshs 113 million are being processed.
🇰🇪The pending bills go back about 20 years and a task force was established to vet and recommend payments. Some claims have turned out to be FAKE. An example is a Kshs 80 Million claim where the Court file is not existent. In other instances, the pending bills (court orders) do not reflect our economic position and are not based on established jurisprudence.
🇰🇪The Executive is the custodian of public funds vetting before payment is prudent financial management.
🇰🇪Our constitutional democracy requires that all organs of Government work together in mutual respect and deference and the Chief Justice’s public statements against the President undermine this especially when they are based on misrepresentation, distortions and half-truths.
🇰🇪The Chief Justice has failed to cultivate the spirit of constructive consultation and instead resulted to grandstanding and populist brinkmanship with the Executive as his bogeyman.
🇰🇪The Judiciary’s leadership has failed to unlock critical corruption cases some of which involve influential judicial officers.
🇰🇪The Public attacks of the President and the Executive seek to erode the confidence the Executive has in the judiciary and put judicial officer into an anti-Executive mode…

*In summary*
• ✔It is reckless for the Chief Justice to make a public statements without facts and based on half-truths just to whip up public emotions.
• ✔On the appointment of 41 judges, the Executive has a different interpretation of the President’s role. The President is not a mere rubberstamp. Appointing judges who have adverse reports would be failing to respect and honour the Constitution. The President will not do that.
• ✔There is an ongoing case on the appointment of 41 judges and the A.G’s appeal is pending but the Court has delayed to give typed proceedings so that the A.G can file the record of appeal.
• ✔This matter may as well end-up in the Supreme Court and it is irresponsible for the Chief Justice to make a public statement with a very biased opinion of the matter.
• ✔The President is not to blame for the backlog of cases, it is the Chief Justice who has failed to give proper leadership in the Judiciary for five years.
©️UNICORN EXPLAINER
Maraga as a CJ has not conducted himself with the sobriety expected of his profession. He lacks some finesse that would've seen him wade through the political moss. He deludes himself with the independence that the Judiciary is said to have on paper.
He who controls the purse strings holds the power. We are lacking some level of maturity within the civil service in all arms of Government.
 
*HIGHLIGHTS OF A.G’S STATEMENT IN RESPONSE TO CHIEF JUSTICE MARAGA’S STATEMENT*
🇰🇪There are clear direct communication lines between the Chief Justice, the Attorney General and the President, therefore public attacks of H.E the President by the Chief Justice are a breach of established norms of government and violate our system of governance and Constitutional democracy.
🇰🇪The Chief Justice is making public statements on matters that are in court and which may end up in the Supreme Court. Public statements violate sub-judice rule and are unusual and unorthodox.
🇰🇪The Attorney General has already appealed the High Court decision directing President to appoint all the 41 judges including those with adverse reports.
🇰🇪The Executive’s decision to appeal the judgment shows the President’s commitment to the rule of law and respect for the Courts and the Constitution which he swore to defend.
🇰🇪The delay in prosecuting the appeal is due to the Judiciary’s failure to provide typed proceedings to enable the Attorney General to prosecute the appeal.
🇰🇪On the role of the President in appointment of judges, the Executive does not believe that the President is merely a rubberstamp of recommendations of the JSC especially if such recommendation would undermine constitutional values.
🇰🇪This is a fundamental constitutional question that would easily (most likely) end up in the Supreme Court yet the President of the Supreme Court is already making pre-judicial and conclusive public statements on the matter.
🇰🇪The CJ claims that some of the individuals are already serving judges, but this is a question for the CJ as head of the Judiciary to answer not the President. (Note: The Judiciary has failed to institute disciplinary proceedings against the same judges. The Chief Justice is saying, its okay to have corrupt judges)
🇰🇪CJ’s statement is an attempt to hide from the fact that under his tenure the Judiciary has suffered case backlogs e.g corruption cases that have delayed in Courts and the President has highlighted this severally.
🇰🇪The allegation that there are 1 billion worth of court orders that have not been obeyed is not supported by any facts.
🇰🇪On Kariobangi evictions, the CJ intention is to whip up public emotions, the CJ has not provided facts about the order. The CJ knows that violation of orders is addressed in court through contempt of Court proceedings not emotional public pronouncements. Again the Chief Justice is pre-empting the outcome of ongoing cases.
🇰🇪On the allegation that the executive has court orders worth Kshs 1 billion that have not been obeyed/implemented…The A.G’s office has paid approximately Kshs 1.5 billion (Kshs 1,567.983,509.25) and as we speak pending bills worth Kshs 113 million are being processed.
🇰🇪The pending bills go back about 20 years and a task force was established to vet and recommend payments. Some claims have turned out to be FAKE. An example is a Kshs 80 Million claim where the Court file is not existent. In other instances, the pending bills (court orders) do not reflect our economic position and are not based on established jurisprudence.
🇰🇪The Executive is the custodian of public funds vetting before payment is prudent financial management.
🇰🇪Our constitutional democracy requires that all organs of Government work together in mutual respect and deference and the Chief Justice’s public statements against the President undermine this especially when they are based on misrepresentation, distortions and half-truths.
🇰🇪The Chief Justice has failed to cultivate the spirit of constructive consultation and instead resulted to grandstanding and populist brinkmanship with the Executive as his bogeyman.
🇰🇪The Judiciary’s leadership has failed to unlock critical corruption cases some of which involve influential judicial officers.
🇰🇪The Public attacks of the President and the Executive seek to erode the confidence the Executive has in the judiciary and put judicial officer into an anti-Executive mode…

*In summary*
• ✔It is reckless for the Chief Justice to make a public statements without facts and based on half-truths just to whip up public emotions.
• ✔On the appointment of 41 judges, the Executive has a different interpretation of the President’s role. The President is not a mere rubberstamp. Appointing judges who have adverse reports would be failing to respect and honour the Constitution. The President will not do that.
• ✔There is an ongoing case on the appointment of 41 judges and the A.G’s appeal is pending but the Court has delayed to give typed proceedings so that the A.G can file the record of appeal.
• ✔This matter may as well end-up in the Supreme Court and it is irresponsible for the Chief Justice to make a public statement with a very biased opinion of the matter.
• ✔The President is not to blame for the backlog of cases, it is the Chief Justice who has failed to give proper leadership in the Judiciary for five years.
©️UNICORN EXPLAINER
Mr Gavament Apologist, vetting payments before approval is prudent.... By Konyagi? You play too much
 
*HIGHLIGHTS OF A.G’S STATEMENT IN RESPONSE TO CHIEF JUSTICE MARAGA’S STATEMENT*
🇰🇪There are clear direct communication lines between the Chief Justice, the Attorney General and the President, therefore public attacks of H.E the President by the Chief Justice are a breach of established norms of government and violate our system of governance and Constitutional democracy.
🇰🇪The Chief Justice is making public statements on matters that are in court and which may end up in the Supreme Court. Public statements violate sub-judice rule and are unusual and unorthodox.
🇰🇪The Attorney General has already appealed the High Court decision directing President to appoint all the 41 judges including those with adverse reports.
🇰🇪The Executive’s decision to appeal the judgment shows the President’s commitment to the rule of law and respect for the Courts and the Constitution which he swore to defend.
🇰🇪The delay in prosecuting the appeal is due to the Judiciary’s failure to provide typed proceedings to enable the Attorney General to prosecute the appeal.
🇰🇪On the role of the President in appointment of judges, the Executive does not believe that the President is merely a rubberstamp of recommendations of the JSC especially if such recommendation would undermine constitutional values.
🇰🇪This is a fundamental constitutional question that would easily (most likely) end up in the Supreme Court yet the President of the Supreme Court is already making pre-judicial and conclusive public statements on the matter.
🇰🇪The CJ claims that some of the individuals are already serving judges, but this is a question for the CJ as head of the Judiciary to answer not the President. (Note: The Judiciary has failed to institute disciplinary proceedings against the same judges. The Chief Justice is saying, its okay to have corrupt judges)
🇰🇪CJ’s statement is an attempt to hide from the fact that under his tenure the Judiciary has suffered case backlogs e.g corruption cases that have delayed in Courts and the President has highlighted this severally.
🇰🇪The allegation that there are 1 billion worth of court orders that have not been obeyed is not supported by any facts.
🇰🇪On Kariobangi evictions, the CJ intention is to whip up public emotions, the CJ has not provided facts about the order. The CJ knows that violation of orders is addressed in court through contempt of Court proceedings not emotional public pronouncements. Again the Chief Justice is pre-empting the outcome of ongoing cases.
🇰🇪On the allegation that the executive has court orders worth Kshs 1 billion that have not been obeyed/implemented…The A.G’s office has paid approximately Kshs 1.5 billion (Kshs 1,567.983,509.25) and as we speak pending bills worth Kshs 113 million are being processed.
🇰🇪The pending bills go back about 20 years and a task force was established to vet and recommend payments. Some claims have turned out to be FAKE. An example is a Kshs 80 Million claim where the Court file is not existent. In other instances, the pending bills (court orders) do not reflect our economic position and are not based on established jurisprudence.
🇰🇪The Executive is the custodian of public funds vetting before payment is prudent financial management.
🇰🇪Our constitutional democracy requires that all organs of Government work together in mutual respect and deference and the Chief Justice’s public statements against the President undermine this especially when they are based on misrepresentation, distortions and half-truths.
🇰🇪The Chief Justice has failed to cultivate the spirit of constructive consultation and instead resulted to grandstanding and populist brinkmanship with the Executive as his bogeyman.
🇰🇪The Judiciary’s leadership has failed to unlock critical corruption cases some of which involve influential judicial officers.
🇰🇪The Public attacks of the President and the Executive seek to erode the confidence the Executive has in the judiciary and put judicial officer into an anti-Executive mode…

*In summary*
• ✔It is reckless for the Chief Justice to make a public statements without facts and based on half-truths just to whip up public emotions.
• ✔On the appointment of 41 judges, the Executive has a different interpretation of the President’s role. The President is not a mere rubberstamp. Appointing judges who have adverse reports would be failing to respect and honour the Constitution. The President will not do that.
• ✔There is an ongoing case on the appointment of 41 judges and the A.G’s appeal is pending but the Court has delayed to give typed proceedings so that the A.G can file the record of appeal.
• ✔This matter may as well end-up in the Supreme Court and it is irresponsible for the Chief Justice to make a public statement with a very biased opinion of the matter.
• ✔The President is not to blame for the backlog of cases, it is the Chief Justice who has failed to give proper leadership in the Judiciary for five years.
©️UNICORN EXPLAINER


Summary ndefu kuliko speech yenye inataka kusummarize jamani...
 
Wacha wapambane, dick measuring. Wote wafagie kwao, Maraga na Konyangi. Maraga is almost retiring. Kinyua is following suit
 
Maraga as a CJ has not conducted himself with the sobriety expected of his profession. He lacks some finesse that would've seen him wade through the political moss. He deludes himself with the independence that the Judiciary is said to have on paper.
He who controls the purse strings holds the power. We are lacking some level of maturity within the civil service in all arms of Government.
My brother, you forget that there are dimwits who'll back Maraga whatever what because he almost gave their demigod the presidency in 2017 using forgeries done by Orengo. Anybody else with a modicum of decency can see through the nincompoop. Guy has been one of Kenya's most disastrous CJs.

Probity, sobriety and good judgement are obviously not his forte, and he deludes himself that the Judiciary is equivalent to the executive. Just how a non-elected official can suffer the idea that he is equal to a man elected by millions and who commands tanks, fighter jets and about 250,000 armed men - including the official's bodyguards - is beyond me, the height of hubris...........
 
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@Mwalimu-G what did I tell you on the judges...dossiers zimejaa dirt. And cham one isn't let it slide. Never.

@Mr Black come kiasi

You have eyes but do not see. What the President is attempting is the equivalent of when a wily young man lies to a girl that "nitaingiza kichwa tu" but we all know once it penetrates it goes all the way in, sometimes it tears the cervix so i have heard.

Is it not convenient that the President has kept tge dossier all to himselfu? These are powerplay games, justice is a much open endeavour.
 
justice is a much open endeavour.
what do you think about the CJ prosecuting the matter in the court of public opinion when the matter is in his courts and could end up before him? Do you think the AG could get a fair hearing in the Supreme Court if the matter ended there considering the CJ has pronounced himself?
 
Precedents are about to be set, kupatia JSC that amount of power was wrong, hii kitu hata afadhali ipewe mps na senators to be vetting. Let elected representatives do the vetting rather than appointed ones
Worst suggestion ever. You remember the mpigs main duty is to rubber stamp executive decisions? How would you say of Echesa?
My question is, how did the names pass thru the JSC when the office of the president had an opportunity to raise an objection, given that the AG is a member? Does it mean the AG is corrupt as well?
Again, if a judge is accused of illegalities, we all know how it goes. Tunoi, Ojwang and others were there. Ata wewe mwenyewe umetosha kuinstitute removal of a judge. You just need to write a letter to JSC about their conduct and that's all. Why are the 'tainted' judges not being investigated? Because the office of CJ refused? Because the OP is weak to raise such issues?
 
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what do you think about the CJ prosecuting the matter in the court of public opinion when the matter is in his courts and could end up before him? Do you think the AG could get a fair hearing in the Supreme Court if the matter ended there considering the CJ has pronounced himself?

The CJ is merely citing the ruling of the High Court which is the current interpretation of the Constitution until proceedings for the appeal begins then he cannot address the matter, for now anyone can comment on the matter. The CJ would only be in error if he was to make his own argument on the matter which he has not done.

It also should not be forgotten that the Judiciary too draws its power from the people which makes the CJ as the JSC Chairperson accountable to the people just as much as the President is accountable to the people, he is allowed, expected even, to use the public arena in pursuit of the Judiciary's goals.
 
what do you think about the CJ prosecuting the matter in the court of public opinion when the matter is in his courts and could end up before him? Do you think the AG could get a fair hearing in the Supreme Court if the matter ended there considering the CJ has pronounced himself?

See, this is what I always say about Mr Gavament Apologist, the constitution says, the President SHALL appoint members forwarded by the JSC.... The AG sits on the JSC, he couldn't raise the issue there?
Maraga says openly that he has tried to meet the President which he has refused..... Go ahead and hide but it remains that facts are a stubborn thing.
 
The CJ is merely citing the ruling of the High Court which is the current interpretation of the Constitution until proceedings for the appeal begins then he cannot address the matter, for now anyone can comment on the matter. The CJ would only be in error if he was to make his own argument on the matter which he has not done.

It also should not be forgotten that the Judiciary too draws its power from the people which makes the CJ as the JSC Chairperson accountable to the people just as much as the President is accountable to the people, he is allowed, expected even, to use the public arena in pursuit of the Judiciary's goals.

Mr Gavament Apologist will not see this... Remember he is see no evil, hear no evil.
 
My brother, you forget that there are dimwits who'll back Maraga whatever what because he almost gave their demigod the presidency in 2017 using forgeries done by Orengo. Anybody else with a modicum of decency can see through the nincompoop. Guy has been one of Kenya's most disastrous CJs.

Probity, sobriety and good judgement are obviously not his forte, and he deludes himself that the Judiciary is equivalent to the executive. Just how a non-elected official can suffer the idea that he is equal to a man elected by millions and who commands tanks, fighter jets and about 250,000 armed men - including the official's bodyguards - is beyond me, the height of hubris...........

If the three arms were board members, the executive would be an executive chair (I know such a role was abolished in the Co. Act cap 486)
 
Worst suggestion ever. You remember the mpigs main duty is to rubber stamp executive decisions? How would you say of Echesa?
My question is, how did the names pass thru the JSC when the office of the president had an opportunity to raise an objection, given that the AG is a member? Does it mean the AG is corrupt as well?
Again, if a judge is accused of illegalities, we all know how it goes. Tunoi, Ojwang and others were there. Ata wewe mwenyewe umetosha kuinstitute removal of a judge. You just need to write a letter to JSC about their conduct and that's all. Why are the 'tainted' judges not being investigated? Because the office of CJ refused? Because the OP is weak to raise such issues?
wacha jokes, JSC hakuna mtu ako na veto power, wengi waki vote one way thats the way it goes. Hahahaha, ati anyone can institute removal of a judge, institute is the only thing you can do, kesi ya Mwilu imefika wapi. Ujinga for appointed fellows to hold such power. I repeat, let elected representatives have that power, if they choose to rubber stamp, so be it. As currently made up, JSC ni kama union ya judges na LSK, Chief Justice, one member of the supreme court, one member of court of appeal, one member High court judge, one member magistrates court, two LSK reps. 6/10 are there to represent judges and the crookest lawyers, yaani the status quo. Nothing touching on corruption of judges and lawyer facilitators will ever be allowed to pass that place
 
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