KCPE - nairobi candidates deducted marks?

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Mtumsafi

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was having this discussion with some folks, one claims that nairobi based candidates are usually deducted about 30 marks as they are deemed to be at an advantage?is this true or not?
 
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Mtumsafi said:
so its true they deduct marks for kids in nairobi/private schools? very unfair
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It's not just deduction. There's addition as well.
And it's not restricted to Nairobi schools. It's done even in university.
Just as an illustration, suppose you give exams and everyone gets marks to join university and study medicine. Where will they be accommodated? This is where normalization comes in. And as the name suggests, it's to make the data "normal" and fit within a binomial distribution.

This is akin to stretching or compressing a spring to fit a certain length.
 
this probably explains why the top student is never from Nairobi. i wonder how the top student fairs when they finally meet at Alliance, Mangu etc with the top Nairobi students
 
bigDog said:
How does it work?
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QuadroK4000 said:
Good question.
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I realize I answered the question of "Why", but your question is "How".

Well, I don't know how it is applied in the education sector, but I know how it works in Data Modelling and Relational Database Design. That will be a bit technical for this discussion, so let me use a simple example.

Suppose you have three farmers who need animal feeds as follows:
1) Kamau has 3 cows, and needs 50kgs for the three.
2) Otieno has 7 cows, and needs 150kgs for the 7.
3) Mweni has 9 cows and needs 110kgs for the 9.
Their total requirements is 50+150+110=310kgs.

Now, suppose your are donating feeds to them, but you only have 250kgs to donate.

How would you share it out in the fairest way?
 
Aviator said:
See above.
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I have seen raw scores at a private school in Nairobi reduced. A kid with 98% in Maths gets his score reduced to 84%. Kiulizo:
1. How is it decided that a student will have his score increased or decreased?
2. Who makes the decision?
3. How objective is it? Isn't it naive to increase/decrease learner's scores in exams? Why not ensure that every exam is a high standard exam?
 
Aviator said:
I realize I answered the question of "Why", but your question is "How".

Well, I don't know how it is applied in the education sector, but I know how it works in Data Modelling and Relational Database Design. That will be a bit technical for this discussion, so let me use a simple example.

Suppose you have three farmers who need animal feeds as follows:
1) Kamau has 3 cows, and needs 50kgs for the three.
2) Otieno has 7 cows, and needs 150kgs for the 7.
3) Mweni has 9 cows and needs 110kgs for the 9.
Their total requirements is 50+150+110=310kgs.

Now, suppose your are donating feeds to them, but you only have 250kgs to donate.

How would you share it out in the fairest way?
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Why are you trying to intermix questions?
 
QuadroK4000 said:
Why are you trying to intermix questions?
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I want to use your answer to show the need and also a possible approach.
bigDog said:
I have seen raw scores at a private school in Nairobi reduced. A kid with 98% in Maths gets his score reduced to 84%. Kiulizo:
1. How is it decided that a student will have his score increased or decreased?
2. Who makes the decision?
3. How objective is it? Isn't it naive to increase/decrease learner's scores in exams? Why not ensure that every exam is a high standard exam?
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1) To ensure normal distribution of marks, those with little are added, and those with much are deducted.
2) I really don't know about primary or secondary schools, but in college, there's a moderation team that does it.
3) The whole idea is to accommodate everyone within normality. Nobody should feel they are a genius, and likewise nobody should feel they are stupid. And that doesn't mean the exam is not up to standard.
 
Aviator said:
I want to use your answer to show the need and also a possible approach.

1) To ensure normal distribution of marks, those with little are added, and those with much are deducted.
2) I really don't know about primary or secondary schools, but in college, there's a moderation team that does it.
3) The whole idea is to accommodate everyone within normality. Nobody should feel they are a genius, and likewise nobody should feel they are stupid. And that doesn't mean the exam is not up to standard.
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But academic performance is not democratic! Do they repeat this in KCSE?
 
Aviator said:
I want to use your answer to show the need and also a possible approach.

1) To ensure normal distribution of marks, those with little are added, and those with much are deducted.
2) I really don't know about primary or secondary schools, but in college, there's a moderation team that does it.
3) The whole idea is to accommodate everyone within normality. Nobody should feel they are a genius, and likewise nobody should feel they are stupid. And that doesn't mean the exam is not up to standard.
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So they punish the smart children ehh. Actually the person who brought up this topic was saying there is a girl in a good Nairobi school who has been hitting close to 480 out of 500 and the entire school plus teachers reckon she could easily break all kcpe records.
 
bigDog said:
But academic performance is not democratic! Do they repeat this in KCSE?
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Mtumsafi said:
So they punish the smart children ehh. Actually the person who brought up this topic was saying there is a girl in a good Nairobi school who has been hitting close to 480 out of 500 and the entire school plus teachers reckon she could easily break all kcpe records.
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Kwanza you guys answer my question on how you would distribute feeds to the farmers.
Am the teacher, and you are disrupting my lesson plan.
 
Aviator said:
Suppose you have three farmers who need animal feeds as follows:
1) Kamau has 3 cows, and needs 50kgs for the three.
2) Otieno has 7 cows, and needs 150kgs for the 7.
3) Mweni has 9 cows and needs 110kgs for the 9.
Their total requirements is 50+150+110=310kgs.

Now, suppose your are donating feeds to them, but you only have 250kgs to donate.

How would you share it out in the fairest way?
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Mueni gets all the 250kgs + Kamaus 3 cows and Otienos 7 as she is Mutheus younger sister.
Nimenyemelea for long and hii ni sure bet.
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