No clubs near residential areas

Cortedivoire

Cortedivoire

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Okiya said:
Uninformed and an unwise move. This will render very many people jobless. Solution is to ask club owner to make their clubs sound proof
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Shida is that there is also "undesirable visitors" in residential areas. Some people find tabia ya walevi offensive. Imagine a Sunday morning, your family is going for first mass lakini the night club next door is still raving? How is that compatible with raising a family?

We should insist on strict zoning rules. Night clubs belong to the CBD and shopping centers. Areas that are designated for commercial activity.
 
bigDog said:
Shida is that there is also "undesirable visitors" in residential areas. Some people find tabia ya walevi offensive. Imagine a Sunday morning, your family is going for first mass lakini the night club next door is still raving? How is that compatible with raising a family?

We should insist on strict zoning rules. Night clubs belong to the CBD and shopping centers. Areas that are designated for commercial activity.
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Couldn't have put it better 👏🏾
 
bigDog said:
Shida is that there is also "undesirable visitors" in residential areas. Some people find tabia ya walevi offensive. Imagine a Sunday morning, your family is going for first mass lakini the night club next door is still raving? How is that compatible with raising a family?

We should insist on strict zoning rules. Night clubs belong to the CBD and shopping centers. Areas that are designated for commercial activity.
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Our estates were modelled around the British system. In UK you will find pubs inside the estates difference is that they reduce the noise from 11pm

Night clubs should close at 3-4am.

This move does not make any economic sense.

Cannot talk about zoning in 2022. We killed it kabisa. On behalf of K1, is parklands a residential zone?

We have so many immoral things in Kenya, night clubs should be the least of them. Imagine raising a family and your kids know you or your uncles are corrupt
 
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bigDog said:
Boss, are you from Mars? In Kenya, obeying the law is a suggestion. Especially when you have money to pay little bribes.
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So what makes you think this law will be obeyed then? Which one is more likely to be obeyed? My suggestion of running sound proof clubs till 3am or Sakaja's closing them permanently?
 
bigDog said:
Boss, are you from Mars? In Kenya, obeying the law is a suggestion. Especially when you have money to pay little bribes.
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Growing up, there were estate pubs. Rarely could you hear the noise coming from inside. Even us kids felt like they were mysterious places for adults.

Nowadays, every kasmall building has a pub extending into the road, music louder than a Rongai matatu, people's gates blocked by strangers cars, all manner of weird behaviour happening utafikiria uko K-street and not to forget the fact that kids especially are affected by the estate pubs and their patrons.

We no longer have decorum so let pubs be zoned.
 
Okiya said:
So what makes you think this law will be obeyed then? Which one is more likely to be obeyed? My suggestion of running sound proof clubs till 3am or Sakaja's closing them permanently?
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I don't know whether Sakaja rules will be obeyed. But I support his decision ban them altogether. A ban creates a hostile operating environment for them which could stop new ones from springing up. It also makes their cost of doing business rise rapidly now that they have to pay bigger bribes. Simply erode the profits!
 
bigDog said:
I don't know whether Sakaja rules will be obeyed. But I support his decision ban them altogether. A ban creates a hostile operating environment for them which could stop new ones from springing up. It also makes their cost of doing business rise rapidly now that they have to pay bigger bribes. Simply erode the profits!
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You've not answered the question. Why ban them?
 
mzeiya said:
Growing up, there were estate pubs. Rarely could you hear the noise coming from inside. Even us kids felt like they were mysterious places for adults.

Nowadays, every kasmall building has a pub extending into the road, music louder than a Rongai matatu, people's gates blocked by strangers cars, all manner of weird behaviour happening utafikiria uko K-street and not to forget the fact that kids especially are affected by the estate pubs and their patrons.

We no longer have decorum so let pubs be zoned.
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It's a big problem almost everywhere. Now consider the pain of having built a residential house for your family's peace and then jamaa opens a nightclub next door! Some people don't have emphathy!
 
bigDog said:
It's a big problem almost everywhere. Now consider the pain of having built a residential house for your family's peace and then jamaa opens a nightclub next door! Some people don't have emphathy!
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I am happy she may finally have peace alongside thousands of Nairobians.


I am a pentecostal Christian but churches also need to have noise regulations. We can't continue living like bononos in 2022. Remember, one's freedom ends when they interfere with that of another.
 
@Okiya, your rights stop where mine start. I don't owe anyone profit or livelihood at my expense! People who buy houses in residential areas have reasonable expectations to be protected from noise and other pollution that comes from commercial areas.
 
mzeiya said:
I am happy she may finally have peace alongside thousands of Nairobians.


I am a pentecostal Christian but churches also need to have noise regulations. We can't continue living like bononos in 2022. Remember, one's freedom ends when they interfere with that of another.
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I'm one of those fellas that face the mountain and say "Thaai thathaiya Ngai thaai". I wish everyone lived in peace with everyone else. Why do I need to subject anyone to noise simply because I believe that they should follow my beliefs?
 
bigDog said:
@Okiya, your rights stop where mine start. I don't owe anyone profit or livelihood at my expense! People who buy houses in residential areas have reasonable expectations to be protected from noise and other pollution that comes from commercial areas.
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As I said, zoning was discarded a long time ago. People in buru buru will complain about noise pollution and zoning but the same people they flouted zoning rules and built flats
 
Okiya said:
As I said, zoning was discarded a long time ago. People in buru buru will complain about noise pollution and zoning but the same people they flouted zoning rules and built flats
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There is zoning of high density residential areas like Buru or even Kile. But then there is business zoning.

Much as we like unplanned (jua Kali) way of doing things, this lack of respect for zoning costs us a lot of money.

Supposing you put up a club next to residential building that was designed to have 6 people daily. But your establishment brings 30 to 100 people. We still got to share the same sewer line, same water supply, Same roads! Yet, you are there to make money! Why should I accept such an arrangement? Why shouldn't you go set up a business in a place that has all the required facilities?

Entertainment businesses go to residential areas to avoid paying higher rent!
 
By the way, kuna clubs ziko kwa estates but positioned reasonably away from residential houses. Either by design or not, perhaps there should be a statute on who can continue with business and who is flouting the rules. Because yes, entertainment spots do create jobs and generate incomes as you say @Okiya
 
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