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[JazzMan]

arious conventions took place in SA and many countries would attend, your old man could have attended one of these, otherwise I doubt there were any military exchanges.

Which convention is this that ran for five months and required a military attache to attend for the entire five months?

By the time De Clerk was visiting Kenya and Moi South Africa, De Clerk had spent many months negotiating with Mandela, and was essentially planning for a post-apartheid SA and the support of African countries for his plans.

If it was planning for a post-apartheid era, why not start with the staunchest critics outside SA, Nyerere and Mwinyi? Why moi? The easiest African to deal with because they have a prior relationship, perhaps? Why go to someone who was not "involved" in anti-apartheid movements?

I actually attended several fund raisers for the ANC, as a youth.

Fundraisers were there, in plenty, but did moi explicitly initiate them or where they privately initiated?

 

[Internet]

I wish we Africans could be this decisive.......................hapa kwetu ni kutombwa na British soldiers kama sisi ni malaya because of sellouts like Uhuru............

Client 13173 is protecting family wealth by collaborating. The kaburu can put them back to factory settings very fast

Hapa kwetu ni kuwa double agents tu. Moi sucked up to apartheid while providing arms that TZ used to train ANC militia

I did not know this

 

[JazzMan]

Client 13173 is protecting family wealth by collaborating. The kaburu can put them back to factory settings very fast

I did not know this

Client 13173 is protecting family wealth by collaborating. The kaburu can put them back to factory settings very fast

I did not know this

I was shocked to learn of this as well when a Tanzania general revealed this. His name is Mwakalindile, can't find info on him online. He was getting interviewed for a history on the Kagera War and what he moved to afterwards. He even explicitly mentioned they had no quarrel whatsoever with Kenya because moi stayed on this side of the wall and respected what everyone was doing, but suggested it was fear of upsetting someone who may just bankroll one of the raging coups happening across Africa at the time to happen here.

 

[Internet]

I was shocked to learn of this as well when a Tanzania general revealed this. His name is Mwakalindile, can't find info on him online. He was getting interviewed for a history on the Kagera War and what he moved to afterwards. He even explicitly mentioned they had no quarrel whatsoever with Kenya because moi stayed on this side of the wall and respected what everyone was doing, but suggested it was fear of upsetting someone who may just bankroll one of the raging coups happening across Africa at the time to happen here.

There is so much Kenyan history getting lost as the adults from the 1970s 80s 90s, especially government workers who have insider information, keep dying one by one without publishing

 

[Young_Turk]

There is so much Kenyan history getting lost as the adults from the 1970s 80s 90s, especially government workers who have insider information, keep dying one by one without publishing

I think someone should start an Edgar Obare esque crowd sourced information platform that would allow these individuals in sensitive positions to freely post and add to the narrative, documenting history as it unravels.

 

[Ubongo]

I wish we Africans could be this decisive.......................hapa kwetu ni kutombwa na British soldiers kama sisi ni malaya because of sellouts like Uhuru............

Mseee kuwa na stand.... Do you remember when Ouru was sending flowers time ya Rona...

And when tonnes of flowers are rotting in our farms, why not use a few to create a marketing buzz for the post-Covid season?

You probably supported Raila the Buffoon so I can see where your ad hominems are coming from. Ugua pole pole bro, but the Babuon will NEBP.

 

[Sambamba]

Africa cannot tell the mzungu to fuck off because she doesn't trade with each other. Kiburi and having a voice comes from having a solid economic base.
We sell primary commodities and a simple ban of our flowers from Europe will send our shilling huko 237 Thika.
Travel advisory kidogo and suddenly one million jobs in the hospitality industry dissappear.

Until such a time when Africa trades more with itself than the West and Asia, we will always be at their mercy.

 

[upepo]

Which convention is this that ran for five months and required a military attache to attend for the entire five months?

Training sessions last longer than five months. There could have been various exchanges, mostly touching on trade, but never military ones.

If it was planning for a post-apartheid era, why not start with the staunchest critics outside SA, Nyerere and Mwinyi? Why moi? The easiest African to deal with because they have a prior relationship, perhaps? Why go to someone who was not "involved" in anti-apartheid movements?

International relations are complex. When trying to solve an armed conflict, you begin by bringing the moderates from each side together. It is for the same reason De Clerk managed to approach critics.

Fundraisers were there, in plenty, but did moi explicitly initiate them or where they privately initiated?

Moi was always the leading man in such drives, and the biggest contributor.

 

[Field Marshal]

He had no relationship whatsoever with the apartheid regime. He organized many public and private fund-raising functions for the ANC, so his support was neither in question nor secretive. Note that the ANC reservation was that Kenya could have done more, not that the country cozied up to the apartheid regime. Also, many South Africans were educated in the country at the time with government support.

You guys are both right and wrong.

Njonjo was an avowed anglophile and followed the pro-British line of chini-ya-maji collaboration with the colonialists down south, including Ian Smith. That's why they collaborated in a failed attempt to topple the gavt of Seychelles.

Unlike countries like Zambia, Tz and Mozambique, Kenya also refused to openly train freedom fighters.

Officially of course we were towing the OAU line, and others in gavt like VP Kibaki were totally against apartheid.