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Field Marshal

Field Marshal

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Unlike our drunk toady who runs to suck the colonialists' limp dick, Mandela's SeutEfrikee has been firm about dealing with some of this oppressors. Meanwhile huku kwetu colonial soldiers are killing our girls................


South Africa's tiff with Israel spills into beauty pageant
Monday, November 15, 2021

By Peter Dube
Correspondent
Nation Media Group
The political tiff between South Africa and Israel has spilled into the upcoming Miss Universe beauty pageant, after Pretoria barred its contender from participating.

South Africa says pageant organisers disregarded the government's plea to stop partaking in the Miss Universe event taking place in Israel next month.
Miss South Africa 2021, Lalela Mswane, is set to represent the country at the competition in Eilat, Israel, on December 13.

The Department of Arts and Culture said the atrocities committed by Israel against Palestinians are well documented and it could not “in good conscience associate itself with such”.

“As the legitimate representative of the people of South Africa, [we] cannot in good conscience associate itself with such,” the department’s spokesperson Mmasechaba Ndlovu said in a statement.

Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu said Israel was guilty of apartheid-like treatment of Palestinians.

“Their humiliation is familiar to all black South Africans who were corralled and harassed and insulted and assaulted by the security forces of the apartheid government,” he said.

Arts minister Nathi Mthethwa said participating in the event could “prove disastrous to her [Mswane’s] future and public standing as a young, Black woman”.
In a separate statement, the governing African National Congress party called on organisers “to hear and listen to the overwhelming call for the Miss South Africa team to boycott the upcoming apartheid Israel hosted Miss Universe”.

Earlier this week, Miss South Africa said in a statement that the Miss Universe pageant is not a politically inspired event.

Miss South Africa Organisation CEO Stephanie Weil said Mswane will be a role model to young women in South Africa and Africa.

“Anyone who wants to rob Lalela of her moment in the spotlight is unkind and short-sighted. She is the shining beacon for young women everywhere, showing them that being beautiful while being clever and educated is very possible.”

South Africa was among several African countries that rejected the decision by the African Union to grant observer status to Israel earlier in July. The status allows Israeli diplomats to be accredited to the African Union and attend crucial meetings even though they will have no vote.

The African Union, which supports a two-state solution in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, argued it needed those two sides on board to work out a proper solution. Palestine has been an observer state at the AU since 2013.
 
Field Marshal said:
I wish we Africans could be this decisive.......................hapa kwetu ni kutombwa na British soldiers kama sisi ni malaya because of sellouts like Uhuru............
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Guoks,where do you exactly stand where MetaMera is concerned? You blow hot,lukewarm and cold at different times..

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upepo said:
There was never such thing as Kenyan support for the apartheid regime, whether implicit or explicit. Take it from a primary source.
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I never said Moi openly supported them, only that he had a good relationship with them.

I have recordings of Tanzanian Generals and other general defence staff whose job it was to coordinate how the ANC militia will get their weapons and training. One of them mentions how Moi used to sneak arms across the border for the ANC militia training, and still cozied up to the apartheid regimes.
 
JazzMan said:
I never said Moi openly supported them, only that he had a good relationship with them.

I have recordings of Tanzanian Generals and other general defence staff whose job it was to coordinate how the ANC militia will get their weapons and training. One of them mentions how Moi used to sneak arms across the border for the ANC militia training, and still cozied up to the apartheid regimes.
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He had no relationship whatsoever with the apartheid regime. He organized many public and private fund-raising functions for the ANC, so his support was neither in question nor secretive. Note that the ANC reservation was that Kenya could have done more, not that the country cozied up to the apartheid regime. Also, many South Africans were educated in the country at the time with government support.
 
upepo said:
He had no relationship whatsoever with the apartheid regime. He organized many public and private fund-raising functions for the ANC, so his support was neither in question nor secretive. Note that the ANC reservation was that Kenya could have done more, not that the country cozied up to the apartheid regime. Also, many South Africans were educated in the country at the time with government support.
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So, how can South Africans be educated in this country if there was no relationship between moi and the apartheid governments.

I can give you a personal example. My own father went for a military exchange tour to apartheid SA for 5 months in the late 80's. How was that possible if there was no relationship whatsoever?

May I remind you, Moi was the only prominent African leader to visit apartheid SA, in reciprocation to a state visit by two known apartheid enforcers.

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De Klerk Visits Kenya's Chief, Urging Normal Ties (Published 1991)

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There are many sources that can prove you wrong. Here's one from the South Africans themselves.
 

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upepo said:
He had no relationship whatsoever with the apartheid regime. He organized many public and private fund-raising functions for the ANC, so his support was neither in question nor secretive. Note that the ANC reservation was that Kenya could have done more, not that the country cozied up to the apartheid regime. Also, many South Africans were educated in the country at the time with government support.
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Oh, and Mois only involvement with the ANC was to traffic arms via TZ. Otherwise he kept out of liberation affairs for fearing someone will sponsor a coup to remove him from power.
 
upepo said:
He had no relationship whatsoever with the apartheid regime. He organized many public and private fund-raising functions for the ANC, so his support was neither in question nor secretive. Note that the ANC reservation was that Kenya could have done more, not that the country cozied up to the apartheid regime. Also, many South Africans were educated in the country at the time with government support.
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My earliest year photos in this world were taken by a South African photographer. They were many in Eastlands.
 
JazzMan said:
So, how can South Africans be educated in this country if there was no relationship between moi and the apartheid governments.

I can give you a personal example. My own father went for a military exchange tour to apartheid SA for 5 months in the late 80's. How was that possible if there was no relationship whatsoever?

May I remind you, Moi was the only prominent African leader to visit apartheid SA, in reciprocation to a state visit by two known apartheid enforcers.

www.nytimes.com

De Klerk Visits Kenya's Chief, Urging Normal Ties (Published 1991)

www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

There are many sources that can prove you wrong. Here's one from the South Africans themselves.
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Many South Africans sought refuge in other countries. This did not involve the apartheid government. Various conventions took place in SA and many countries would attend, your old man could have attended one of these, otherwise I doubt there were any military exchanges. By the time De Clerk was visiting Kenya and Moi South Africa, De Clerk had spent many months negotiating with Mandela, and was essentially planning for a post-apartheid SA and the support of African countries for his plans.
 
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