The Man who Killed Kenya's Agriculture

algorithm said:
The term Lubwa has never been derogatory. If you look at colonial records/maps there was a region/railway station called Lubwa. So calling someone mu-lumbwa means someone from the lubwa region, just like calling someone mu-ikamba means someone from kamba region or mu-meru one from meru or mu-thungu one from Europe, mu-hindi one from India.
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Stop being my clone. Why do you always think like me?:)
 
The.Black.Templar said:
Indeed ukitaka kutajirika, join the gavament...watu walitajirika sana wakati wa handcheque
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Just say Raila and his men
Orengo, mapabano aka viagra , odoyo, sharif nassir's son, former Mombasa governor aka panadol, etc ,etc ,etc na ujue serikali haina duka, biashara etc,etc, pesa niza ushuru . Ukila pesa za ushuru utanona sende moja , ikusubue, you die worse than a dog. Na watu wako uwaroge na hizo pesa !
 
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Mwalimu-G said:
The Gikuyu did not invent the name Lumbwa. There was even railway stop/station by the name in present day Kipkelion. It is like the first Kalenjin colonial askaris were from there hence the coinage of the name Mu-L(r)umbwa ie a man from Lumbwa. The word later became generic for people speaking any of the Kalenjin languages and was with no malice intended at first.
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Basically Lubwa people referred to the kipsigis people, the people of the Lubwa region ie larger kericho district, and yes the Lubwa railway station was later renamed Kipkelion station. The kikuyu never knew about the various sub tribes and therefore anyone anaongea hio lugha and was from the region was referred to as mu-rubwa (note kikuyus have no letter L). It is said the word Lubwa is actually the maasai name for the kipsigis people.

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Rubwa is a Kikuyu corruption of Lubwa, the Olmaasai name given to the Kipsigis. Lumbwa in Maa tongue means people who till the land(farmers)
and is never a derogatory term as such.
 
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algorithm said:
Basically Lubwa people referred to the kipsigis people, the people of the old larger kericho district, and yes the Lubwa railway station was later renamed Kipkelion station. The kikuyu never knew about the various sub tribes and therefore anyone anaongea hio lugha and was from the region was referred to as mu-rumbwa (note kikuyus have no letter L). It is said the word Lubwa is actually the maasai name for the kipsigis people.

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Rubwa is a Kikuyu corruption of Lubwa, the Olmaasai name given to the Kipsigis. Lumbwa in Maa tongue means people who till the land(farmers)
and is never a derogatory term as such.
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There were stories heard about a treaty made at the place between the Kipsigis/Talai and wazungu and that was sealed with the slaughtering of a dog (hence the umbwa part of the name. I don't know if it is myth or true history.
"The Lumbwa Treaty event took place on 13th October 1889,[1] in Lumbwa (Kipkelion town today,) in Kericho between the Kipsigis led by Menya Araap Kisiara and the British East Africa administration.[1] It was based on a cultural practice of oath taking in Kipsigis called Mummek or Mummiat or Mumma. Mumma means "to do something impossibly disgusting". It involves two parties taking an oath and invoking a preemptive curse if the oath is to be broken by any party taking the oath. There usually would also be a performance of black magic[2]; and on this particular event a coyote was savored in two halves with each party burying its part and making the oath never to harm each other in any way. " -Wiki
 
Mwalimu-G said:
There were stories heard about a treaty made at the place between the Kipsigis/Talai and wazungu and that was sealed with the slaughtering of a dog (hence the umbwa part of the name. I don't know if it is myth or true history.
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There is no relationship between Lubwa and the word umbwa just a coincidence in the letters. The Lubwa railway station was already in existence when the oath was taken. There was resistance in extending the railway beyond the Lubwa Station and that is why the oath/treaty was made. The kipsigis name for a dog is Ng'ookta and so if the station was to be renamed due to the oath, it would have been renamed to Ng'ookta station.

Also note that the kikuyu name for dog is ngui. But kikuyus dont call anyone mu-ngui or wa-ngui (don't confuse with the kikuyu female name Wangũi pronounced Wangoi).
 
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algorithm said:
Basically Lubwa people referred to the kipsigis people, the people of the Lubwa region ie larger kericho district, and yes the Lubwa railway station was later renamed Kipkelion station. The kikuyu never knew about the various sub tribes and therefore anyone anaongea hio lugha and was from the region was referred to as mu-rubwa (note kikuyus have no letter L). It is said the word Lubwa is actually the maasai name for the kipsigis people.

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Rubwa is a Kikuyu corruption of Lubwa, the Olmaasai name given to the Kipsigis. Lumbwa in Maa tongue means people who till the land(farmers)
and is never a derogatory term as such.
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"Thìe nakùu woiyete ta rubwa"
Kikuyu people all along refers to these people as 'thieve' which is true ! @Okiya ,@Mwalimu-G and the company pigeni makofi !
If you have read basic colonial history, during construction of Uganda railway, off course it had to go though kenya, when that contractor reached Kipkelion, the Nandi people revolted ,they would steal telephone cables ( landlines wires) uprooting railway lines and other construction materials, stealing was and still is in their blood !
In my academic history, which is a loooooong one I happened to visit kenya brewery kisumu brand, it has just been commissioned ( it's as dead as dodo today ) we visited Eld,through Nandhills to awasi . I noted the seanary , you tell a Nandi homestead from a kikuyu one. In every main entrance to a kikuyu home you find milk containers awaiting collection to kcc,good house,well attended farms but kwa wanandi horrible, a cow tied on a tree,occasionally you would see tractor with a plough ,trailer - remember how Nandi's got free farming equipment from ADC ? The Nandi's would raid kikuyu farmers at night stealing farm produce even before they were ready ! Raids organized by Nand's were very common in white highlands , white farmers had a very difficult times pale njoro, rongai ,Elburgon , Turi, Molo,and the surroundings
@Okiya , I'm NOT justifying your worries
@Mwalimu-G out of 10 ,you can award the marks
 
Kasaman said:
"Thìe nakùu woiyete ta rubwa"
Kikuyu people all along refers to these people as 'thieve' which is true ! @Okiya ,@Mwalimu-G and the company pigeni makofi !
If you have read basic colonial history, during construction of Uganda railway, off course it had to go though kenya, when that contractor reached Kipkelion, the Nandi people revolted ,they would steal telephone cables ( landlines wires) uprooting railway lines and other construction materials, stealing was and still is in their blood !
In my academic history, which is a loooooong one I happened to visit kenya brewery kisumu brand, it has just been commissioned ( it's as dead as dodo today ) we visited Eld,through Nandhills to awasi . I noted the seanary , you tell a Nandi homestead from a kikuyu one. In every main entrance to a kikuyu home you find milk containers awaiting collection to kcc,good house,well attended farms but kwa wanandi horrible, a cow tied on a tree,occasionally you would see tractor with a plough ,trailer - remember how Nandi's got free farming equipment from ADC ? The Nandi's would raid kikuyu farmers at night stealing farm produce even before they were ready ! Raids organized by Nand's were very common in white highlands , white farmers had a very difficult times pale njoro, rongai ,Elburgon , Turi, Molo,and the surroundings
@Okiya , I'm NOT justifying your worries
@Mwalimu-G out of 10 ,you can award the marks
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It is not stealing. It is appropriating for other use.
 
algorithm said:
The term Lubwa has never been derogatory. If you look at colonial records/maps there was a region/railway station called Lubwa. So calling someone mu-lumbwa meant someone from the lubwa region, just like calling someone mu-ikamba means someone from kamba region or mu-meru one from meru or mu-thungu one from Europe, mu-hindi one from India.
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Knowing history you would be so fast to compare it with others.
Mwalimu-G said:
The Gikuyu did not invent the name Lumbwa. There was even railway stop/station by the name in present day Kipkelion. It is like the first Kalenjin colonial askaris were from there hence the coinage of the name Mu-L(r)umbwa ie a man from Lumbwa. The word later became generic for people speaking any of the Kalenjin languages and was with no malice intended at first.
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It has negative connotations, there was an oathing ceremony that involved a dog.

By the way, I also noticed how both of you gave a wide berth on, refering to a vice president as a herdsman, but I understand.
 
Clemens said:
Knowing history you would be so fast to compare it with others.

It has negative connotations, there was an oathing ceremony that involved a dog.

By the way, I also noticed how both of you gave a wide berth on, refering to a vice president as a herdsman, but I understand.
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Lubwa region and Lubwa railway station existed long before the oath. Also Mureithi has never been a derogatory term and many kikuyus are named Mureithi.
 
Even the Bible says you cannot serve two masters. Kenyans will either continue worshipping their politicians and serve them with their lives remaining in poverty and distress, or will reject them and create a new and prosperous Kenya

The previous election showed kenyans still worship their idols (politicians). Kibaki's time was a mirage. It convinced people that things had taken a turn for the better even if Kibaki himself was far from perfect. It's now back to retrogressive days
 
Clemens said:
Knowing history you would be so fast to compare it with others.

It has negative connotations, there was an oathing ceremony that involved a dog.

By the way, I also noticed how both of you gave a wide berth on, refering to a vice president as a herdsman, but I understand.
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Don't argue with facts. Below is an academic study on the Lumbwa Tribe/Kipsikis tribe published in 1923, which is over 100yrs ago. We know history and what we are talking about. Unataka niongeze Thesis za Kipkorir na Taita towett to school you more on the "Rumbwa"?

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