Scrap metal dealers protest

It's becoming a scourge

A gang of crafty scrap metal thieves dismantled and decamped with a 500-tonne defunct iron bridge in eastern India, police said Saturday, pulling off the unlikely heist by pretending to be irrigation officials. The robbing of the bridge was reported Wednesday in the state of Bihar, one of the poorest in the country.

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Thieves Steal 60-Foot Iron Bridge In India

A gang of crafty scrap metal thieves dismantled and decamped with a 500-tonne defunct iron bridge in eastern India, police said Saturday, pulling off the unlikely heist by pretending to be irrigation officials. The robbing of the bridge was reported Wednesday in the state of Bihar, one of the...
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Da Vinci said:
It is in our government's interest that those inconveniences should happen. Does our government even try to explore alternative hardware for things like road signs ama ni kununua expensive materials like aluminium halafu they erect them in the wilderness far away from populations where guarding them will be a challenge? In Tanzania, for example, they use concrete slabs and poles for road signs. If guard rails along the road are destroyed by vehicles in accidents, have you ever tried to investigate how long the government takes to recover the destroyed and repair the destroyed sections? Simply said, serikali yetu haichungi mali yake! .
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Where do you and I come into play as citizens first then business people second serikali ikichunga Mali yake?
 
It's Me Scumbag said:
Where do you and I come into play as citizens first then business people second serikali ikichunga Mali yake?
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The government people are using the dealers as scape goats. Wanagonganisha raiya. They don't want to do their work diligently. What the hell do they mean by self regulation?
 
Da Vinci said:
What the hell do they mean by self regulation?
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Yes, you should have begun with this question. Self regulation is where you honest business people come together and develop a code of (acceptable) conduct of your business with a view to weeding out those rotten apples who engage in behaviour that leads to measures that jeopardize your entire business such as the current ban. It should include not buying Kenya Power or Railways scrap from individuals because ordinarily such scrap should be sold at a public auction and bought by one of you licensed traders.
 
Da Vinci said:
Tajiri yangu, jua kwamba hata Lazaro huhitaji kula!

And I know you say the things you say about scrap metal business because you unatharau wale unafikiria ni masikini. And it is okay. However, please understand that scrap metal business is a legitimate business the whole world over. Unaposema tuende Ukraine...., I just shake my head.


But still, look what Venezuela is doing.
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A cash-strapped Venezuela leans on scrap exports to raise hard currency

On the outskirts of the eastern Venezuelan port town of Guanta, hundreds of trucks line up everyday to unload tons of scrap metal, part of the government's attempt to turn waste into a source of foreign currency.
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As a player in the industry can you please shade some light on the economicd of scrap metal business? For instance who do you purchase from? Can anybody sell scrap to you or you only accept from trusted suppliers? How do validate the source of the materials you buy? And finally who do you finally sell to the scrap metal. Genuinely interested.
 
Mwalimu-G said:
Yes, you should have begun with this question. Self regulation is where you honest business people come together and develop a code of (acceptable) conduct of your business with a view to weeding out those rotten apples who engage in behaviour that leads to measures that jeopardize your entire business such as the current ban. It should include not buying Kenya Power or Railways scrap from individuals because ordinarily such scrap should be sold at a public auction and bought by one of you licensed traders.
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Self regulation is just an illusion. Nothing of that sort is feasable and only somebody who has not been in business will think it's a good way out of the mess. Regulation needs a lot of recources and infrastructure which businesses are not capable of setting up.Most business people do not have the time to meedle with the activities of others businesess especially with an industry as huge as the scrap metal. This might also lead to witch hunts where some businesess conspire to take another business down. It simply is not is not logical in this industry.

The governement just needs to set up a regulatory authority who will license and police the industry with frequent controls and checks to weed out the illegal businesses. This is how every other industry is pretty much controlled.
 
Notapeoplesguy said:
As a player in the industry can you please shade some light on the economicd of scrap metal business? For instance who do you purchase from? Can anybody sell scrap to you or you only accept from trusted suppliers? How do validate the source of the materials you buy? And finally who do you finally sell to the scrap metal. Genuinely interested.
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Very good question and I can say it has been asked sincerely. I will reply to you as soon as I can. Please wait.
 
Notapeoplesguy said:
Self regulation is just an illusion. Nothing of that sort is feasable and only somebody who has not been in business will think it's a good way out of the mess. Regulation needs a lot of recources and infrastructure which businesses are not capable of setting up.Most business people do not have the time to meedle with the activities of others businesess especially with an industry as huge as the scrap metal. This might also lead to witch hunts where some businesess conspire to take another business down. It simply is not is not logical in this industry.

The governement just needs to set up a regulatory authority who will license and police the industry with frequent controls and checks to weed out the illegal businesses. This is how every other industry is pretty much controlled.
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Wow!
At last!
A person who really understands!
It would have taken me a year to put together such a concise short explanatory in an effort to lecture @Mwalimu-G!
 
Da Vinci said:
Wow!
At last!
A person who really understands!
It would have taken me a year to put together such a concise short explanatory in an effort to lecture @Mwalimu-G!
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Don't we have too many regulatory bodies who add to the cost of doing business? How long before some of you start corrupting their inspectors? Or complaining that they are harassing you?

Let me give you an example - The National Construction Authority. Set up to supervise construction to prevent houses collapsing and approve plans. You take plans to them and after some time when you go to check you realize they've never even removed your plans from the envelop. Eventually a guy tells you leta kile unaleta uende uendelee na mjengo. You continue going to the same guy for stage certification and he absent mindedly signs and stamps because there's an envelop n the pocket. Fourth floor house collapses killing workers. The regulator tells cameras the incident will be investigated. End of story. A good afternoon.
 
Mwalimu-G said:
Don't we have too many regulatory bodies who add to the cost of doing business? How long before some of you start corrupting their inspectors? Or complaining that they are harassing you?

Let me give you an example - The National Construction Authority. Set up to supervise construction to prevent houses collapsing and approve plans. You take plans to them and after some time when you go to check you realize they've never even removed your plans from the envelop. Eventually a guy tells you leta kile unaleta uende uendelee na mjengo. You continue going to the same guy for stage certification and he absent mindedly signs and stamps because there's an envelop n the pocket. Fourth floor house collapses killing workers. The regulator tells cameras the incident will be investigated. End of story. A good afternoon.
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Classical case of whataboutism here from you Mwalimu. The scrap metal is a billion shiling industry, it's pretty much cost effective to have a regulatory authority. It will minimise to an extent the trillions the government is loosing in vandalism. That alone is good enough to have a regulatory authority.
 
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