Our world this morning: On the brave and the self-seekers

Mwalimu-G

Mwalimu-G

Elder Lister
CNN
May 10, 2021



Stephen Collinson and Caitlin Hu
'We're Americans'
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Nowhere has the pandemic-era clash between politics and science been more intense than Florida.

Now, a new state law that prohibits companies from asking whether employees or customers are vaccinated threatens to sink the return of the cruising industry, which once brought millions of passengers and billions of dollars to the Sunshine State every year.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has set strict rules for the resumption of the cruise industry — a notorious super spreader of Covid-19 at the start of the pandemic. Cruise ships can plan trial cruises with volunteer passengers who must clear strict health hurdles to prove they can operate without triggering mini-epidemics. Or, they can ply more normal trade if they can prove 98% of crew and 95% of passengers are fully vaccinated.

But Florida’s rising star Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis and some fellow Republicans are fighting to ensure that people who refuse to get vaccinated (most often conservatives) get treated just like anyone else -- including having access to cruise ships' floating all-inclusive vacation packages, if they want.

It’s not yet clear whether Florida has the power to override the CDC, but as Frank Del Rio, the CEO of Norwegian Cruise Line, pointed out, cruise companies that wish to maintain their vaccination requirements can always look for a friendlier port: “Cruise ships have motors, propellers and rudders, and God forbid we can't operate in the state of Florida for whatever reason, then there are other states that we do operate from, and we can operate from the Caribbean.”

As with other issues, like gun control for example, this boils down to a question that underlies much of US life: When does one American's exercise of their rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness infringe on those of another? Should the desire to own an assault rifle take precedence over the rights of others not to live in fear of becoming a mass shooting victim at a school or mall (both common targets), for example? And can a potential cruiser demand peace of mind about their safety when taking the high seas, if it means requiring Covid-19 tests for all aboard?

However the legal battle turns out, DeSantis, who is pretty transparently laying the groundwork for a future run for president, probably won’t lose. If cruise lines fold, he’ll win. If the CDC prevails, he will still have stood up to the Washington scientific establishment and pleased Trump voters.
 
Mwalimu-G said:

CNN

May 10, 2021



Stephen Collinson and Caitlin Hu
'We're Americans'

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Nowhere has the pandemic-era clash between politics and science been more intense than Florida.

Now, a new state law that prohibits companies from asking whether employees or customers are vaccinated threatens to sink the return of the cruising industry, which once brought millions of passengers and billions of dollars to the Sunshine State every year.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has set strict rules for the resumption of the cruise industry — a notorious super spreader of Covid-19 at the start of the pandemic. Cruise ships can plan trial cruises with volunteer passengers who must clear strict health hurdles to prove they can operate without triggering mini-epidemics. Or, they can ply more normal trade if they can prove 98% of crew and 95% of passengers are fully vaccinated.

But Florida’s rising star Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis and some fellow Republicans are fighting to ensure that people who refuse to get vaccinated (most often conservatives) get treated just like anyone else -- including having access to cruise ships' floating all-inclusive vacation packages, if they want.

It’s not yet clear whether Florida has the power to override the CDC, but as Frank Del Rio, the CEO of Norwegian Cruise Line, pointed out, cruise companies that wish to maintain their vaccination requirements can always look for a friendlier port: “Cruise ships have motors, propellers and rudders, and God forbid we can't operate in the state of Florida for whatever reason, then there are other states that we do operate from, and we can operate from the Caribbean.”

As with other issues, like gun control for example, this boils down to a question that underlies much of US life: When does one American's exercise of their rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness infringe on those of another? Should the desire to own an assault rifle take precedence over the rights of others not to live in fear of becoming a mass shooting victim at a school or mall (both common targets), for example? And can a potential cruiser demand peace of mind about their safety when taking the high seas, if it means requiring Covid-19 tests for all aboard?

However the legal battle turns out, DeSantis, who is pretty transparently laying the groundwork for a future run for president, probably won’t lose. If cruise lines fold, he’ll win. If the CDC prevails, he will still have stood up to the Washington scientific establishment and pleased Trump voters.
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I really dont understand why they chose to politicize a disease.

Doktari @Luther12 akiniambia "vaa condom" nitamjibu "yes sir! Nivae ngapi munene?". Sitalete kiherehere na ujuaji!

Those empty debes argue with scientists who have studied and taught about viruses all the adult lives(Dr Fauci). Huu siyo ungwana kaka.
 
Mwalimu-G said:

CNN

May 10, 2021



Stephen Collinson and Caitlin Hu
'We're Americans'

----------

Nowhere has the pandemic-era clash between politics and science been more intense than Florida.

Now, a new state law that prohibits companies from asking whether employees or customers are vaccinated threatens to sink the return of the cruising industry, which once brought millions of passengers and billions of dollars to the Sunshine State every year.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has set strict rules for the resumption of the cruise industry — a notorious super spreader of Covid-19 at the start of the pandemic. Cruise ships can plan trial cruises with volunteer passengers who must clear strict health hurdles to prove they can operate without triggering mini-epidemics. Or, they can ply more normal trade if they can prove 98% of crew and 95% of passengers are fully vaccinated.

But Florida’s rising star Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis and some fellow Republicans are fighting to ensure that people who refuse to get vaccinated (most often conservatives) get treated just like anyone else -- including having access to cruise ships' floating all-inclusive vacation packages, if they want.

It’s not yet clear whether Florida has the power to override the CDC, but as Frank Del Rio, the CEO of Norwegian Cruise Line, pointed out, cruise companies that wish to maintain their vaccination requirements can always look for a friendlier port: “Cruise ships have motors, propellers and rudders, and God forbid we can't operate in the state of Florida for whatever reason, then there are other states that we do operate from, and we can operate from the Caribbean.”

As with other issues, like gun control for example, this boils down to a question that underlies much of US life: When does one American's exercise of their rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness infringe on those of another? Should the desire to own an assault rifle take precedence over the rights of others not to live in fear of becoming a mass shooting victim at a school or mall (both common targets), for example? And can a potential cruiser demand peace of mind about their safety when taking the high seas, if it means requiring Covid-19 tests for all aboard?

However the legal battle turns out, DeSantis, who is pretty transparently laying the groundwork for a future run for president, probably won’t lose. If cruise lines fold, he’ll win. If the CDC prevails, he will still have stood up to the Washington scientific establishment and pleased Trump voters.
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Why anybody wants to be in a floating tub with 4000 strangers stumps me.
 
nothing is absolute in life, even that science at times changes, I think some form of criticism and questioning is good, even Hitler used science and top scientists in some way to forward his schemes.

The idea that science or whatever scientist say is final and any contrary opinion is mute is dangerous, even locally we have seen scientist advising the government, and while the scientific opinion should carry a greater weight especially at such times as this, but also there exists another dimension, a social, arts, economic, a more non science one that needs to be looked at.

Just because someone looks at life from a different view does not necessarily make them stupid, different people value different things, some see life as a passing cloud, one to be enjoyed while one can, some see it differently.
 
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