Justin Muturi: William Ruto is a very dangerous character.
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Denis Young
Elder Lister
When did you realize Kaongo is corrupt? Before you voted for him in 2022 or after?
mzeiya
Elder Lister
For the umpteenth time, I made a wrong judgement call because Rao's side didn't seem to have much to offer, and I have shared here before that the BBI was the deciding factor. I ferked up and I'll always regret that choice. It makes me feel like a fool, and one day I will sit my kids down and tell them never to make such a foolish decision. Happy now that I have repeated myself?
Anyway, unlike you, I don't suffer from Stockholm syndrome.
Denis Young
Elder Lister
What makes you confident that you are not making foolish decisions now? Or will you come to a similar realization post 2027?
Young_Turk
Elder Lister
Honestly, we had slim pickings, between a pathological sociopathic liar murder vs a known blood-based occultist.
Chief, few things to note:
As I have been saying, the system is designed to allow the worst to succeed. It's all about money + influence. politics is all about framing your own selfish interests to look like they are people's interests. And that's true especially here where there is no identity nor ideology. You need at least 5 billions to mount a successful campaign. Nobody in the whole world can spend that amount so he can get some few millions as ROI.There is nothing like charity. Though Ruto had shown his true colors from long time ago, there is absolutely no evidence that we'd have been better had Rao's side succeeded.
Example,
1. In the Former KRA's Chief Autobiography, he states how Ruto, Uhuru and Rao tried to influence decisions of KRA When they were senior officials in Kibaki's govt. All fought for tax evasion.
2. In 2007, Rao's side campaigned on anti corruption platform and almost succeeded. But according to leaked documents by wikileaks, Rao's campaign was financed heavily by Bro Paul Kamlesh Pattni and Anglo leasing mafia.
So when someone says he'd have fought corruption, take it with a pinch of salt.
3. Even Rao's manifesto all proved he had absolutely no idea where Kenya was and where it was going. Promising free university education and 6k tokens when 70% of revenue goes to debt repayment is just ridiculous.
4. Na ata venye kunaendelea, it's possible Martha would have been shown the door immediately after being sworn in.
So it is important to take politics lightly. Accept that it is unlikely that our fortunes can be changed thru the ballot.
mzeiya
Elder Lister
Very sobering thoughts. Thank you for sharing.
Denis Young
Elder Lister
Welcome to the Kenyan political reality. In every election it is always about the lesser evil. Raila was telling us he will give us 6k and that he will get more resources by stopping corruption and people actually believed that nonsense.
On the other hand, the KK manifesto was more realistic and you can see they are implementing it, including the recent securitization of road pending bills. That is why I voted Ruto.
You will have a similar decision in 2027. I am watching Maraga doing campaigns, making grandiose speeches about integrity in air conditioned hotels as if that is where the votes are. Omtatah is waiting for permission to declare his intentions.
This is probably the first election where there is no clear second horse. If they don't come together it will be a cake walk for Ruto.
Denis Young
Elder Lister
mzeiya
Elder Lister
I've never called anyone a kagege and neither have you shared the same sentiments as @Othello has here. Need I remind you that you still adamantly still support Kenya's worst post-colonial leader blindly? You talk about the KK manifesto that has only 14 of 280 promises kept (5%) while making many more dubious decisions.Sobering huh! But when I say the same thing I am a kagege and sycophant.
Denis Young
Elder Lister
Everything from point 2 to 4 I have said before. Including about the sidelining of Martha Karua.
In every election in the world you will always have two horses.
Maraga can't win by himself. Omtatah can't win by himself. Even if they join forces they won't win. So they have to join forces with the tarnished politicians to have a chance.
What will your opinion be then, when you see your favourite candidate standing next to a Kalonzo or Rigathi talking about forming the next government?
Also, which are these 280 promises in the manifesto or are you just waffling about something you pulled off social media?
upepo
Elder Lister
We should not rely on the past to predict future political events because everything is evolving fast. Ruto defeated dynasties because people were fed up. If the economic situation worsens, miracles will happen and those billions they are quoting will not matter. Citizens are capable of mobilizing a pauper into state house.
mzeiya
Elder Lister
Game bado mbichi. BTW, why on Earth do you still support William if you have any semblance of sanity?
Anyway, regarding the manifesto, aka Chronicles of Great Deception. Here's a few of the broken promises.
I am not a Gen-Z, but let me borrow from their lingo, "effidence iko kwa kalatas."
Clemens
Elder Lister
We had the ganja man and Wakili mcha mungu, but your options were limited to the two psychopaths?
Young_Turk
Elder Lister
Yes. Ganja man was not a real option and wakili was not as effective at campaign as the liar in chief.
Wakili and Nabii wote walijipresent kama BFF wa Yesu Kristo himselfu.
Yes, and coz he had the money and influence. You need foot soldiers who will mobilize people at grassroot. The other group capable of doing this will be another group of thugs, maybe gachietha kalonjo etc axis. This system will change when people not politicians will start sponsoring politics. And that I am afraid may not happen in our lifetime
mzeiya
Elder Lister
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