I told y'all this is a war between Democrats and the media v Trump

kijanamrefu said:
Something like Chloroquine already has known side effects through human testing. If some studies are showing positive results, a good leader would take that risk. Nobody is dying from 200mg of chloroquine. Even if it offered only a 10% relief, it's still a positive effort.

Btw, science has never stopped governments from doing whatever they want to do rafiki. At least this one is an actual effort to relieve the pressure of the situation and improve people's states. You could actually say this is one of the few selfless efforts they've taken, as there's less money in chloroquine that patented tested treatments that will come in 12 months down the line.

FDA imeapprove hiyo treatment btw.
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Let me try to explain this once more. One, the efficacy of Chloroquine has not been established so far. It is only a suspicion. For instance, in the French case, out of the 985 cases who were not treated with chloroquine, 12 died. Among the 1003 who were treated with chloroquine, 1 died. The thing here is, we cannot establish with certainty that the fewer deaths in the second group was due to chloroquine treatment. To be certain, this exercise needs to be repeated with very many groups. The difference between the two groups is too small to be attributed to chloroquine. Why are doctors reluctant to go down this road? One, they could be giving patients false hope. Two, there could be unexpected reactions in patients. Three, lawsuits will certainly follow if the drug does not work. Four, it is careless to go by gut feelings in such matters.
 
upepo said:
Let me try to explain this once more. One, the efficacy of Chloroquine has not been established so far. It is only a suspicion. For instance, in the French case, out of the 985 cases who were not treated with chloroquine, 12 died. Among the 1003 who were treated with chloroquine, 1 died. The thing here is, we cannot establish with certainty that the fewer deaths in the second group was due to chloroquine treatment. To be certain, this exercise needs to be repeated with very many groups. The difference between the two groups is too small to be attributed to chloroquine. Why are doctors reluctant to go down this road? One, they could be giving patients false hope. Two, there could be unexpected reactions in patients. Three, lawsuits will certainly follow if the drug does not work. Four, it is careless to go by gut feelings in such matters.
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Rafiki, I fully understand the due process required for any drugs to be certified as treatment for diseases and why it's important.

My questions here are
1. Are there better alternatives?
2. The unexpected reactions are actually known, because hydroxyquinine and the arv are actually tested and used on humans as they are.

Can we meet halfway and suggest that the drugs be tested further rather than writing it off as ineffective?
 
kijanamrefu said:
Rafiki, I fully understand the due process required for any drugs to be certified as treatment for diseases and why it's important.

My questions here are
1. Are there better alternatives?
2. The unexpected reactions are actually known, because hydroxyquinine and the arv are actually tested and used on humans as they are.

Can we meet halfway and suggest that the drugs be tested further rather than writing it off as ineffective?
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That's actually what FDA is doing. Allowing tests to continue. They are not allowing every GP to experiment. Medical practice is very regulated unlike dini!
 
kijanamrefu said:
1. Are there better alternatives?
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We cannot discuss alternatives where there are no candidates. Drinking black tea could yield the same results as using chloroquine.
kijanamrefu said:
2. The unexpected reactions are actually known, because hydroxyquinine and the arv are actually tested and used on humans as they are.
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chloroquine has never been used to treat corona patients. History has it that nothing can be assumed to be safe without rigorous testing. Part of the treated population could develop complications nobody anticipated.
kijanamrefu said:
Can we meet halfway and suggest that the drugs be tested further rather than writing it off as ineffective?
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There should be 1000s of compounds undergoing scrutiny as potential cures. Chloroquine should undergo the same rigorous testing process.
 
bigDog said:
With Trump, it's all politics. Come to think of it, he is the best politician in ages. A guy who says one thing and the gullible followers just elect him because they are anti-intellectual! I'm beginning to see what Trump and Sonkos supporters have in common.
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Drumpf just spews anything that resonates with his dimwitted base. He's the main reason that there's multiplying infections in US, before he caved in and is trying to use it to his advantage. He only cares about himself, and currently he switched his tone coz of pressure, but still doesn't comprehend the full consequences of his earlier lack of action.
 
Ule Msee said:
Drumpf just spews anything that resonates with his dimwitted base. He's the main reason that there's multiplying infections in US, before he caved in and is trying to use it to his advantage. He only cares about himself, and currently he switched his tone coz of pressure, but still doesn't comprehend the full consequences of his earlier lack of action.
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@Okiya started this series of articles on Drumpf and America with one suggesting that the great stable genius Drumpf had had a master plan all along. It's like someone sneezed and infected him with daft fumes.

Man had never been interested in the subject matter before.
 
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Okiya said:
Bill Gates is part of the doomsday/ apocalyptic group. He funded a study by Imperial College of London which predicted that there will be 500,000 deaths in UK. The study also said 18 months of quarantine in UK will be necessary. Guess what, the same guys ( Epidemiologist Neil Fergusson of Imperial College of London) have come back and said that the deaths will be not more than 20,000 and that half of that would have died anyway. How can a model be 90% off within a short time???

Dr. Fauci is using the same model to project US deaths.
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hata wewe you fall for conspiracy theory bulshit?
 
Okiya said:
Nobody has said corona virus is a hoax.
All am saying is that this is a plandemic.
It's a war against Trump.
Theres nothing I haven't posted without evidence. Infact I post screenshots to prove that I haven't edited anything. You said FDA approving the malaria drug was a lie. And I proved to you it wasnt. There is evidence that the Imperial College model widely used was proved flawed in UK. In 2001, the same person developed a foot and mouth model which proved to be FLAWED. In the end, so many farmers in UK lost their livelihoods after slaughtering their livestock.
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Shida ya watching vitu za conspiracy theories is that once you start then the recommendation algorithms will keep suggesting you similar content. In the end, you become a zombie.

Did you read the reasons as to why some doctors were objecting its use and why they were against Trump publicizing such information?
 
kijanamrefu said:
Something like Chloroquine already has known side effects through human testing. If some studies are showing positive results, a good leader would take that risk. Nobody is dying from 200mg of chloroquine. Even if it offered only a 10% relief, it's still a positive effort.

Btw, science has never stopped governments from doing whatever they want to do rafiki. At least this one is an actual effort to relieve the pressure of the situation and improve people's states. You could actually say this is one of the few selfless efforts they've taken, as there's less money in chloroquine that patented tested treatments that will come in 12 months down the line.

FDA imeapprove hiyo treatment btw.
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www.latimes.com

Doctors and experts warn of the risks of using malaria drugs to treat COVID-19

The prospect that malaria drugs will become go-to medications to treat COVID-19 before they’ve been rigorously tested is prompting safety warnings.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
 
AU5 said:
At these times focus more on credible scientific sites than on random social media posts
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I asked you to quote which part of my statement is not factual umeshindwa. Just dismissing it as conspiracy theory.
Anyway, part of my statement was from The New Scientist . Is The New scientist a random media post?
 
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