COA nullifies Finance Bill 23/24

[Denis Young]

Like I have said on numerous occassions the worst thing we ever did was pass the 2010 constitution. That 'progressive' document has done nothing but turn the country on its head. From raising the wage bill by increasing representation to turning presidents into lame ducks.

All the while the courts have become corrupt to the core. People like Babu Owino walking free despite there being video evidence.

The repercussions of killing the finance bill 24/25 are already hitting, now they have killed 23/24 too denying the government 230B+.

The repercussions from this will be heavy.

 

[The.Black.Templar]

I support that nullification and i hope the supreme court upholds it. That finace bill 2023 was basically targeting the employed kenyan with punitive taxes

 

[Denis Young]

I support that nullification and i hope the supreme court upholds it. That finace bill 2023 was basically targeting the employed kenyan with punitive taxes

Have you considered the other side of that coin? The revenue the government loses and the consequences of it towards the health of the economy?

It is either you pay these taxes now or pay a multiple of those taxes amidst high inflation and low liquidity later on.

 

[The.Black.Templar]

Have you considered the other side of that coin? The revenue the government loses and the consequences of it towards the health of the economy?

It is either you pay these taxes now or pay a multiple of those taxes amidst high inflation and low liquidity later on.

I am not against raising taxes, but let it be in such a way that the whole country contributes, so that the burden is equitably shared. I would rather VAT is increased by a small amout than a big tax increase targeting a small percentage of the population.

 

[Ngimanene Na Malege]

No more etims nonsense

 

[Othello]

Okay, are there some forces behind the scenes working hard to ensure Ruto fails? There have been more than 10 finance bills since 2010. However, challenging them in court started in 2023. Ata wengi huku wameskia finance bill enzi za ruto, meaning Kibaki and Uhuru never bothered to conduct public participation.

 

[Denis Young]

I am not against raising taxes, but let it be in such a way that the whole country contributes, so that the burden is equitably shared. I would rather VAT is increased by a small amout than a big tax increase targeting a small percentage of the population.

That is where now you need to inform yourself. What is a small amount? FB 23/24 raised VAT on fuel to 16% and consumption dipped. They further raised RML to 25% and people went crazy. So what is the limit? What goods do you target? How much revenue can you rationally expect to raise to maintain liquidity without making the cost of living too expensive?

 

[Denis Young]

Okay, are there some forces behind the scenes working hard to ensure Ruto fails? There have been more than 10 finance bills since 2010. However, challenging them in court started in 2023. Ata wengi huku wameskia finance bill enzi za ruto, meaning Kibaki and Uhuru never bothered to conduct public participation.

Not really. Under Uhuru I still remember many finance bills being challenged and some things like minimum tax being declared unconstitutional.

However, what we are seeing now can only be described as judicial activism. The judges pay no mind to what their actions mean. The same way they ruled that the police cannot use tear gas and batons to stop rogue protestors then started whining that the police were doing nothing as people broke into businesses.

How do you rule that an entire fiance bill is unconstitutional amid a financial crisis.

Look what the government had to do just to pay the interest on domestic debt. We are on the verge of a domestic debt default. Imminent. And the COA just made it a lot harder for the government.

 

[Cortedivoire]

Have you considered the other side of that coin? The revenue the government loses and the consequences of it towards the health of the economy?

It is either you pay these taxes now or pay a multiple of those taxes amidst high inflation and low liquidity later on.

So you think increasing the cost of living and reducing the income is a good idea? Are you okay?

 

[Ngimanene Na Malege]

Not really. Under Uhuru I still remember many finance bills being challenged and some things like minimum tax being declared unconstitutional.

However, what we are seeing now can only be described as judicial activism. The judges pay no mind to what their actions mean. The same way they ruled that the police cannot use tear gas and batons to stop rogue protestors then started whining that the police were doing nothing as people broke into businesses.

How do you rule that an entire fiance bill is unconstitutional amid a financial crisis.

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Look what the government had to do just to pay the interest on domestic debt. We are on the verge of a domestic debt default. Imminent. And the COA just made it a lot harder for the government.

Ambia Ruto the constitution is not a list of suggestions!!! Aifuate to the letter otherwise there are consequences. Hii upuss yako uipeleke mbali

 

[Denis Young]

So you think increasing the cost of living and reducing the income is a good idea? Are you okay?

What do you think happens if Kenya cannot service its debts? You won't even have an income. And even if you do, it will be worth half what it is worth right now. On top of that, taxes will still be raised.

 

[Denis Young]

Ambia Ruto the constitution is not a list of suggestions!!! Aifuate to the letter otherwise there are consequences. Hii upuss yako uipeleke mbali

Go read the judgment first before displaying your stupidity.

 

[Mongrel]

Ambia Ruto the constitution is not a list of suggestions!!! Aifuate to the letter otherwise there are consequences. Hii upuss yako uipeleke mbali

Na hao majudges wajue constitution sio ya mama zao wawe Wana interpret vile wanataka

 

[Othello]

Not really

Yes there is. Look at what has been happening recently. That when there is a lot of tension, bodies are discovered dumped. Ignore story za ndoto coz that is jaba. Someone really set him up

 

[Ngimanene Na Malege]

Go read the judgment first before displaying your stupidity.

Nimeisoma na magnifying glass and it remains, the constitution is not a list of suggestions.... Internalize this sloooooooooowly kabla niseme what @Okiya calls you

 

[Ngimanene Na Malege]

Na hao majudges wajue constitution sio ya mama zao wawe Wana interpret vile wanataka

Constitution ni mama na baba na ngao ya Wakenya

 

[Ngimanene Na Malege]

Yes there is. Look at what has been happening recently. That when there is a lot of tension, bodies are discovered dumped. Ignore story za ndoto coz that is jaba. Someone really set him up

No, the truth is coming out with skeletons running out of the closet that jabass is a killer and liar rolled into one, only @Denis Young and you can't see him for what he is

 

[Othello]

No, the truth is coming out with skeletons running out of the closet that jabass is a killer and liar rolled into one, only @Denis Young and you can't see him for what he is

They all kill and that doesn't mean that doesn't mean those who stormed parliament were unique coz you can relate with them. Last year police killed 70. Most of you didn't see it as an issue coz they were not politically correct. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right? I was re-watching the 25th events on Inooro TV, the journalist said the police used loudspeakers to announce that anyone who would try to breach parliament could be shot. But they still went ahead. And let nobody lie to you that those will be the last to die.

 

[The.Black.Templar]

That is where now you need to inform yourself. What is a small amount? FB 23/24 raised VAT on fuel to 16% and consumption dipped. They further raised RML to 25% and people went crazy. So what is the limit? What goods do you target? How much revenue can you rationally expect to raise to maintain liquidity without making the cost of living too expensive?

They need to be creative and stop being lazy in how they source for funds

 

[Denis Young]

Yes there is. Look at what has been happening recently. That when there is a lot of tension, bodies are discovered dumped. Ignore story za ndoto coz that is jaba. Someone really set him up

I get what you are saying. There are people who are intentionally raising temps for sure hence the political realignments. I can see Uhuru's fingerprints for sure.

However, this ruling by COA is what has really caught me off guard because of how irrational it is. They are literally making things up as they go. Every other day there is a new reason to declare something unconstitutional over frivolous reasons. But an entire finance act? Someone thinks they are Maraga.