Battery As A Service

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I think sometime here someone once proposed that Nio EV battery swapis a game changer since they have swapped 1M batteries by March, and I said its not feasible long-term.
The flaws in the Nio swap model are:

1. They already have 50,000 EV on lifetime free battery swap. That's foregone revenue for life, and these are people on your balance sheet.

2. Costs of setting up a battery swap station vs Charging Station. It costs about 2M RMB for a swap station, while elec costs is 1RMB per kwh, so a swap in a 70Kwh Nio EV would cost about 70RMB and they give 6 FREE swaps a month, x whatever number of cars they'll have on the road. See that liability piling up on your balance sheet.
If a station does about 90 swaps a day, and they currently have 170 stations spread through out, do the math.
90swaps x 70RMB electricity fee x 170 swapstation x 365days = 391M RMB in electricity costs, and this is scaling with more Nio EVs on the road.

3. Evolution in battery technology. Any battery technology that Nio develops will make their existing batteries depreciate much faster, and guess on who's balance sheet that is? And owners will want the new battery tech in their cars.

4. Cost of operations. Those battery swap stations need to be manned, and that's an increase in operational costs unnecessarily. They people manning them, at least 2 need to be on payroll, while on charging stations there are none.

My thoughts it's this is a marketing gimmick to get people to buy the cars, but soon enough will either be scrapped altogether or made a paid service. Those with free battery swap will transition to free fast charging, everyone else has to pay.
 
My thoughts it's this is a marketing gimmick to get people to buy the cars, but soon enough will either be scrapped altogether or made a paid service. Those with free battery swap will transition to free fast charging, everyone else has to pay.
Exactly what I was going to say. Drug dealer mathematics. Give them a few free samples to get them hooked, and when they are, get them to pay through the nose.
 
I think sometime here someone once proposed that Nio EV battery swapis a game changer since they have swapped 1M batteries by March, and I said its not feasible long-term.
The flaws in the Nio swap model are:

1. They already have 50,000 EV on lifetime free battery swap. That's foregone revenue for life, and these are people on your balance sheet.

2. Costs of setting up a battery swap station vs Charging Station. It costs about 2M RMB for a swap station, while elec costs is 1RMB per kwh, so a swap in a 70Kwh Nio EV would cost about 70RMB and they give 6 FREE swaps a month, x whatever number of cars they'll have on the road. See that liability piling up on your balance sheet.
If a station does about 90 swaps a day, and they currently have 170 stations spread through out, do the math.
90swaps x 70RMB electricity fee x 170 swapstation x 365days = 391M RMB in electricity costs, and this is scaling with more Nio EVs on the road.

3. Evolution in battery technology. Any battery technology that Nio develops will make their existing batteries depreciate much faster, and guess on who's balance sheet that is? And owners will want the new battery tech in their cars.

4. Cost of operations. Those battery swap stations need to be manned, and that's an increase in operational costs unnecessarily. They people manning them, at least 2 need to be on payroll, while on charging stations there are none.

My thoughts it's this is a marketing gimmick to get people to buy the cars, but soon enough will either be scrapped altogether or made a paid service. Those with free battery swap will transition to free fast charging, everyone else has to pay.
You, for some reason I've always thought you are wakameat.
Nio haiendi mahali, itakufa or be bought out cheaply at some point, and they will have to breach that life time free battery swap.
No serious car manufacturer outsources the entire manufacturing, yaani wana copy apple so much hadi their manufacturing strategy.
The guys to check are Xpeng na Byd
 
You, for some reason I've always thought you are wakameat.
Nio haiendi mahali, itakufa or be bought out cheaply at some point, and they will have to breach that life time free battery swap.
No serious car manufacturer outsources the entire manufacturing, yaani wana copy apple so much hadi their manufacturing strategy.
The guys to check are Xpeng na Byd
The Wa Conglomerate ni kubwa sana
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Anyway, karibu breakfast for the brave. Ngimanene na mala.
 
In its current offering it's not. There's a hole in the balance sheet that scales with every car put on the road.
But they are proceeding with the plan. It's one thing to identify a potential problem in someone's plan, but it's another if they proceed with it.

Furthermore, that hole in the balance sheet is offset by having the customer actually buy the initial battery.
 
But they are proceeding with the plan. It's one thing to identify a potential problem in someone's plan, but it's another if they proceed with it.

Furthermore, that hole in the balance sheet is offset by having the customer actually buy the initial battery.

They buy the car, but lease the battery.
They are proceeding with it to get to a critical mass of cars on the roadc
cheaply as batteries are the single most expensive component in a car, and in a market where everyone else is offering about 1 year free charging, they had to do something. Just that something is not sustainable.
 
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"Currently, a 70.0-kWh pack with six swaps per month is priced at about $142. For those who don't want to swap batteries but still need the pack, the cost is about $12 a month.

It’s cost-effective, convenient, and a quick way to get an EV back on the road especially during a long trip. And, at least in China, it's working"
 
"Currently, a 70.0-kWh pack with six swaps per month is priced at about $142. For those who don't want to swap batteries but still need the pack, the cost is about $12 a month.

It’s cost-effective, convenient, and a quick way to get an EV back on the road especially during a long trip. And, at least in China, it's working"
For the 7th swap, the first 6 swaps are free. And this is monthly.
 
You, for some reason I've always thought you are wakameat.
Nio haiendi mahali, itakufa or be bought out cheaply at some point, and they will have to breach that life time free battery swap.
No serious car manufacturer outsources the entire manufacturing, yaani wana copy apple so much hadi their manufacturing strategy.
The guys to check are Xpeng na Byd



LOL On this you are wrong.

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Source Tesla: the Origin Story (businessinsider.com)
 
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