Adam vs Eve, in your own opinion, who do you think was actually the first to be created?

SledgeHammer said:
You wanted logic in trying to figure out who God is and where he came from and why we shouldn't define Him according to the bible.
Did you forget that fast?
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I did ask for logic.
But some your questions are so loosely worded and make little to no sense I have difficulty answering them.
 
SledgeHammer said:
That is the work of the brain, it is always in constant doubt, doesn't know anything but what its fed on.
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Doubt isnt the issue. Your communication is lacking. What does does self actualization till you become elements of the universe mean?
I understand all those words separately but in the way you are putting them together is meaningless for me. So i am asking you to explain it plainly so i may answer your question.
 
Burner said:
Doubt isnt the issue. Your communication is lacking. What does does self actualization till you become elements of the universe mean?
I understand all those words separately but in the way you are putting them together is meaningless for me. So i am asking you to explain it plainly so i may answer your question.
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Self evolution, Becoming your best version.
Perhaps God was also evolving over time.
 
Trying to decipher matters of God, the universe with our very limited brains is a fool's errand. We'll need a higher enlightenment/ evolution to even scratch the surface.
 
Burner said:
What would be your basis for believing this? Or rather what convinces you that this is the case?
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Because these things are masters by themselves, they dont seem to have a creator. Look at time, look at knowledge, Nature,... Do they seem to be owned?
 
SledgeHammer said:
Because these things are masters by themselves, they dont seem to have a creator. Look at time, look at knowledge, Nature,... Do they seem to be owned?
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I see they are constructs we(humans) have labelled to make sense of the world we live in e.g Time. Some are abstract concepts i Dont think exist outside the physical presence of a mind. E.g knowledge
However i do not see how you take the leap of taking these things together and coming up with a being that created the universe and everything and cares about you.
Guide me in the steps from time, nature etc to a god..
 
Burner said:
Here is where your analogy falls apart. i can empirically (physically that is by use of measurements of temp/humidity etc) to show you that in one year we have not had any snow in nairobi and the opposite in Antarctica. Things not controlled and easily testable by other people to reach the same conclusion about the snow in those two respective places, and hence becomes objectively conclusive.
What are you using to to discern the truth from one holy book from another? And how can we objectively come to the same conclusions that you have that one is true and the other isnt?
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I started by saying that religion is not a scientific discipline, so your empirical methods don't apply here.
 
Burner said:
I see they are constructs we(humans) have labelled to make sense of the world we live in e.g Time. Some are abstract concepts i Dont think exist outside the physical presence of a mind. E.g knowledge
However i do not see how you take the leap of taking these things together and coming up with a being that created the universe and everything and cares about you.
Guide me in the steps from time, nature etc to a god..
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Knowledge supercedes and exists outside the mind and is continuously getting discovered over time.
Whatever that is wrought to being is dependent on knowledge and not the other way round.
Knowledge defines who i am, without it i cannot bring meaning to anything that i do.

If i am a farmer, the knowledge of farming is master over me, i am the subject.
 
Burner said:
I see they are constructs we(humans) have labelled to make sense of the world we live in e.g Time. Some are abstract concepts i Dont think exist outside the physical presence of a mind. E.g knowledge
However i do not see how you take the leap of taking these things together and coming up with a being that created the universe and everything and cares about you.
Guide me in the steps from time, nature etc to a god..
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So before we existed there was no time or whatever that was out there didn't follow time ?? Why are you constricted to your own ideologies as if the entire universe revolves around you?
 
SledgeHammer said:
So before we existed there was no time or whatever that was out there didn't follow time ??
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This is not what i said. Its pretty much the opposite.
SledgeHammer said:
Knowledge supercedes and exists outside the mind and is continuously getting discovered over time.
Whatever that is wrought to being is dependent on knowledge and not the other way round.
Knowledge defines who i am, without it i cannot bring meaning to anything that i do.

If i am a farmer, the knowledge of farming is master over me, i am the subject.
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Ok.
So how do you come up with a god from this?
 
SledgeHammer said:
What do you have in mind about a god, because seems to me that my definition if what you are after, not yours.
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Im dont have anything in mind about a god.
Im not the one claiming that a god does or doesnt exist. You are.
That is why i am asking you to define the god you believe in and how you have determined that god exists.
 
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