Wisdom of fools

Pastor

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*WISDOM OF FOOLS*

*You are a poultry farmer* You inject your broiler with enhancement drugs. Your daughter is in Nairobi college and a major consumer of chicken and chips. Wisdom of a fool.

*You are a parent*.
You buy exams for your child and lie to him he is the most intelligent kid in the world. He goes to university and does the wrong course. Either he drops out or he becomes a quack in that sector. He eventually gets a calamity. Wisdom of a fool.

*You are a senior government official*.
You take a bribe. Contaminated sugar is allowed in the country. Your aging mother in the village gets cancer due to the contaminated sugar. Wisdom of a fool.

*You are a senior government official*. Government provides funds for building a dam to aid irrigation in your village. You loot all the money. Your own kinsmen back in the village die of hunger. Wisdom of a fool.

*You are a senior public official*.
You get CDF funds to build schools. You loot it all and make kids drop out and become armed thugs. They hijack you, break into your house, steal from you and rape your daughter. Wisdom of a fool.

*You are in charge of a hospital*,
you loot money that is meant for drugs. Your brother gets sick at night, he is rushed to hospital but there are no drugs. He dies and you are left struggling to educate his eight kids. Wisdom of a fool

*You are a police man*
You take a 50 bob bribe to let an overloaded matatu pass. Your own villagemates and colleagues on leave die in a crash due to the matatu overload. Wisdom of a fool.

*You are a rich man*.
You refuse to assist the poor. They become thieves. They break into your house, rob and kill you. Wisdom of a fool.

*You are a voter*.
You are bribed with a t/shirt, 200/- and some simple harambees. You vote in a thug. Services goes down. You complain for five years. Wisdom of a fool

true wisdom comes from God
 
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Burner

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From your world view, it was god's will for each of those cases to go down as you have written it. Wisdom has nothing to do with it if the path has been laid down by your deity.
 
Pastor

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Burner said:
From your world view, it was god's will for each of those cases to go down as you have written it. Wisdom has nothing to do with it if the path has been laid down by your deity.
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Predestination doesn’t exist, everyone has free will to choose right or wrong
 
Burner

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Pastor said:
Predestination doesn’t exist, everyone has free will to choose right or wrong
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ok. So your god is not omnipresent, cool.
Also, if predestination doesn’t exist, prophecy should also be a nonexistent thing seeing how it is directly related to predestination.

And if I choose to wrong how is it just to punish me eternally for a something i did in a finite period of time?
 
Aviator

Aviator

Elder Lister
Pastor said:
Predestination doesn’t exist, everyone has free will to choose right or wrong
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Romans 8:29-30 “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.”

Ephesians 1:5 “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will”

2 Timothy 1:9 He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.

John 6:44“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.

John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD works out everything to its proper end— even the wicked for a day of disaster.

Ephesians 1:11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Ephesians 1:4-5
4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love
5 he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will
 
Burner

Burner

Elder Lister
Aviator said:
Romans 8:29-30 “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.”

Ephesians 1:5 “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will”

2 Timothy 1:9 He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.

John 6:44“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.

John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD works out everything to its proper end— even the wicked for a day of disaster.

Ephesians 1:11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Ephesians 1:4-5
4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love
5 he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will
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To be fair he may believe in a version of Christianity that doesn’t believe in predestination or an omnipresent god
 
Burner

Burner

Elder Lister
Aviator said:
And would that "version of Christianity" be using the same bible that I quoted above?
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I don’t know. All “flavours” of Christianity will choose and interpret passages as they see fit. They may use the same bible and interpret the very same passages differently to not mean predestination the way you do.
If you all interpreted the bible the the same way you wouldn’t have all these flavours would you?
 
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