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Liberty

Elder Lister
Readings at Mass - Sun 27 June
Liturgical Colour: Green.

First reading​
Wisdom 1:13-15,2:23-24​

God takes no pleasure in the extinction of the living
Death was not God’s doing,
he takes no pleasure in the extinction of the living.
To be – for this he created all;
the world’s created things have health in them,
in them no fatal poison can be found,
and Hades holds no power on earth;
for virtue is undying.
Yet God did make man imperishable,
he made him in the image of his own nature;
it was the devil’s envy that brought death into the world,
as those who are his partners will discover.
Responsorial Psalm​
Psalm 29(30):2,4-6,11-13​

I will praise you, Lord, you have rescued me.
I will praise you, Lord, you have rescued me
and have not let my enemies rejoice over me.
O Lord, you have raised my soul from the dead,
restored me to life from those who sink into the grave.
I will praise you, Lord, you have rescued me.
Sing psalms to the Lord, you who love him,
give thanks to his holy name.
His anger lasts a moment; his favour all through life.
At night there are tears, but joy comes with dawn.
I will praise you, Lord, you have rescued me.
The Lord listened and had pity.
The Lord came to my help.
For me you have changed my mourning into dancing:
O Lord my God, I will thank you for ever.
I will praise you, Lord, you have rescued me.
Second reading​
2 Corinthians 8:7,9,13-15​

The Lord Jesus became poor for your sake, to make you rich
You always have the most of everything – of faith, of eloquence, of understanding, of keenness for any cause, and the biggest share of our affection – so we expect you to put the most into this work of mercy too. Remember how generous the Lord Jesus was: he was rich, but he became poor for your sake, to make you rich out of his poverty. This does not mean that to give relief to others you ought to make things difficult for yourselves: it is a question of balancing what happens to be your surplus now against their present need, and one day they may have something to spare that will supply your own need. That is how we strike a balance: as scripture says: The man who gathered much had none too much, the man who gathered little did not go short.
Gospel Acclamation​
cf.Jn6:63,68​

Alleluia, alleluia!
Your words are spirit, Lord, and they are life;
you have the message of eternal life.
Alleluia!
Or:​
cf.2Tim1:10​

Alleluia, alleluia!
Our Saviour Jesus Christ abolished death
and he has proclaimed life through the Good News.
Alleluia!
Gospel​
Mark 5:21-43​

Little girl, I tell you to get up
When Jesus had crossed in the boat to the other side, a large crowd gathered round him and he stayed by the lakeside. Then one of the synagogue officials came up, Jairus by name, and seeing him, fell at his feet and pleaded with him earnestly, saying, ‘My little daughter is desperately sick. Do come and lay your hands on her to make her better and save her life.’ Jesus went with him and a large crowd followed him; they were pressing all round him.
Now there was a woman who had suffered from a haemorrhage for twelve years; after long and painful treatment under various doctors, she spent all she had without being any the better for it, in fact, she was getting worse. She had heard about Jesus, and she came up behind him through the crowd and touched his cloak. ‘If I can touch even his clothes,’ she had told herself ‘I shall be well again.’ And the source of the bleeding dried up instantly, and she felt in herself that she was cured of her complaint. Immediately aware that power had gone out from him, Jesus turned round in the crowd and said, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ His disciples said to him, ‘You see how the crowd is pressing round you and yet you say, “Who touched me?”’ But he continued to look all round to see who had done it. Then the woman came forward, frightened and trembling because she knew what had happened to her, and she fell at his feet and told him the whole truth. ‘My daughter,’ he said ‘your faith has restored you to health; go in peace and be free from your complaint.’
While he was still speaking some people arrived from the house of the synagogue official to say, ‘Your daughter is dead: why put the Master to any further trouble?’ But Jesus had overheard this remark of theirs and he said to the official, ‘Do not be afraid; only have faith.’ And he allowed no one to go with him except Peter and James and John the brother of James. So they came to the official’s house and Jesus noticed all the commotion, with people weeping and wailing unrestrainedly. He went in and said to them, ‘Why all this commotion and crying? The child is not dead, but asleep.’ But they laughed at him. So he turned them all out and, taking with him the child’s father and mother and his own companions, he went into the place where the child lay. And taking the child by the hand he said to her, ‘Talitha, kum!’ which means, ‘Little girl, I tell you to get up.’ The little girl got up at once and began to walk about, for she was twelve years old. At this they were overcome with astonishment, and he ordered them strictly not to let anyone know about it, and told them to give her something to eat.
 

Burner

Elder Lister
God takes no pleasure in the extinction of the living
Death was not God’s doing
Genesis 6: 13-14
So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy(AC) both them and the earth

Exodus 11: 4-7
So Moses said, “This is what the Lord says: ‘About midnight I will go throughout Egypt. 5 Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the female slave, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. 6 There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt—worse than there has ever been or ever will be again.

1 Samuel 15: 2-4
This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

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Mwalimu-G

Elder Lister
1 Samuel 15: 2-4
This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
So the Jews carried out a genocide against their fellow Yehudi who were of another tribe citing divine orders?
 

Burner

Elder Lister
Ironical that they never stop reminding us of the Hitler genocide against them.
Im just impressed that Christianity and Judaism dont see the the issue with the Amalekite genocide when one of their key laws directly from their god is Thou shalt not kill (or murder depending on the version).
But i guess its ok if god tells you to do it right?
 

Mwalimu-G

Elder Lister
Im just impressed that Christianity and Judaism dont see the the issue with the Amalekite genocide when one of their key laws directly from their god is Thou shalt not kill (or murder depending on the version).
But i guess its ok if god tells you to do it right?
That's where it gets complicated when you ask the questions and they say "just believe" .
 

Burner

Elder Lister
That's where it gets complicated when you ask the questions and they say "just believe" .
You cant choose your beliefs. E.g you cannot choose to believe the sky is green. A belief is a statement you are convinced is true. You can be convinced by good or bad reasons/evidence.

So if someone says "just believe" they are saying they dont have a reason good or bad to justify what they are saying.
 

Mwalimu-G

Elder Lister
You cant choose your beliefs. E.g you cannot choose to believe the sky is green. A belief is a statement you are convinced is true. You can be convinced by good or bad reasons/evidence.

So if someone says "just believe" they are saying they dont have a reason good or bad to justify what they are saying.
The Incredulity of Thomas

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Ngimanene na Muchere

Elder Lister
Genesis 6: 13-14
So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy(AC) both them and the earth

Exodus 11: 4-7
So Moses said, “This is what the Lord says: ‘About midnight I will go throughout Egypt. 5 Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the female slave, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. 6 There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt—worse than there has ever been or ever will be again.

1 Samuel 15: 2-4
This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

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Deuteronomy 32:35: Vengeance is mine. I keep telling you read the Bible, it's very complete
 

Loudsound

Lister
Im just impressed that Christianity and Judaism dont see the the issue with the Amalekite genocide when one of their key laws directly from their god is Thou shalt not kill (or murder depending on the version).
But i guess its ok if god tells you to do it right?
Somehow yes. If it is his will that it happens that way the we are mandated to accept it as things are and because everything to God has a purpose. If you get to read the book of Job everything else will be clear.
 

Burner

Elder Lister
Somehow yes. If it is his will that it happens that way the we are mandated to accept it as things are and because everything to God has a purpose. If you get to read the book of Job everything else will be clear.
Let me put it this way, is it ok/morally right, to commit genocide? And by genocide i mean the willful murder of a particular group of people without discrimination of age?
 
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