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Budspencer

Elder Lister
People who thought Biden couldn't debate are very disappointed. Very impressive how he kept his cool as Trump who wanted to steamroll over him and the moderator with constant interruptions. Chris Wallace, a Faux TV presenter, was even ashamed of the unpresidential conduct that trump has left in his wake the last four years .

Trump lighted up his base (as clearly evidenced here) with the unruly behaviour. Of course that never won over any moderates.
 

Ngimanene na Muchere

Elder Lister
People who thought Biden couldn't debate are very disappointed. Very impressive how he kept his cool as Trump who wanted to steamroll over him and the moderator with constant interruptions. Chris Wallace, a Faux TV presenter, was even ashamed of the unpresidential conduct that trump has left in his wake the last four years .

Trump lighted up his base (as clearly evidenced here) with the unruly behaviour. Of course that never won over any moderates.

Who wants a sissy pussy for a President? Hata huku tunajua Kalonzo is a sissy ndio maana hawesmake. Trump is a lion, the lion doesn't ask permission
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
Who are they? And what do you mean targeting small businesses?
Changes to the tax code from the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) in 2018 has meant major reductions in taxes for many small and medium term businesses.

Now I am not a tax expert, but there are benefits that have been derived from the above Act, ama?
 

Burner

Elder Lister
Changes to the tax code from the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) in 2018 has meant major reductions in taxes for many small and medium term businesses.

Now I am not a tax expert, but there are benefits that have been derived from the above Act, ama?
Im not a tax expert either. And certainly there are benefits of not paying more tax if you can avoid it. But if the same tax cuts cuts be used by Amazon to pay 0 in federal taxes and a small business pays 8000 instead of 12000, then there is surely a problem. Heri utoe hizo tax cuts, the small business pays 12000 and amazon pay 50million.
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
Im not a tax expert either. And certainly there are benefits of not paying more tax if you can avoid it. But if the same tax cuts cuts be used by Amazon to pay 0 in federal taxes and a small business pays 8000 instead of 12000, then there is surely a problem. Heri utoe hizo tax cuts, the small business pays 12000 and amazon pay 50million.
It depends on the perspective you look at it from. In a capitalists society the small business owner is glad to pay less tax, Amazon will still make money because of the behemoth they are but the tax break makes alot of difference to the small business. If you look at it from government perspective, then your argument makes sense too. You are either for the government or the small business, but you cannot take both sides
 

Burner

Elder Lister
It depends on the perspective you look at it from. In a capitalists society the small business owner is glad to pay less tax, Amazon will still make money because of the behemoth they are but the tax break makes alot of difference to the small business. If you look at it from government perspective, then your argument makes sense too. You are either for the government or the small business, but you cannot take both sides
But its not just corporations. Take Trump for example. If we assume that there's nothing wrong with how he paid His taxes and for years he paid zero tax and then paid $750 for 2016 and 2017. How fucking fair is that for everyone else? Especially the guys who earn a standard wage and dont have the ability to get the tax cuts since they dont meet the threshold to qualify for the tax cuts?

The whole point of taxes is that the govt uses it to provide services. And it is simple reasoning that the people (and corporations) who earn the highest should pay the most. Yes, there should be concessions (the tax breaks etc) on the amount paid if you give money to charities or public schools or firehouses etc. But not to the extent where people who earn millions in revenue will pay tax like the own a small business. If there is a mechanism that allows those wealthy people to pay less than you who earns significantly less than the wealthy then it should be done away with completely.
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
But its not just corporations. Take Trump for example. If we assume that there's nothing wrong with how he paid His taxes and for years he paid zero tax and then paid $750 for 2016 and 2017. How fucking fair is that for everyone else? Especially the guys who earn a standard wage and dont have the ability to get the tax cuts since they dont meet the threshold to qualify for the tax cuts?

The whole point of taxes is that the govt uses it to provide services. And it is simple reasoning that the people (and corporations) who earn the highest should pay the most. Yes, there should be concessions (the tax breaks etc) on the amount paid if you give money to charities or public schools or firehouses etc. But not to the extent where people who earn millions in revenue will pay tax like the own a small business. If there is a mechanism that allows those wealthy people to pay less than you who earns significantly less than the wealthy then it should be done away with completely.
Have you read that tax act? I am not an expert in tax matters but from what i read, the small businesses are actually benefitting from it? Are you saying that they are not benefitting? Is your only issue about fairness? Because this world is not fair at all...
 

Burner

Elder Lister
Have you read that tax act? I am not an expert in tax matters but from what i read, the small businesses are actually benefitting from it? Are you saying that they are not benefitting? Is your only issue about fairness? Because this world is not fair at all...
I havent read the tax act. I have not said they are not benefitting. I am saying there is a huge discrepancy if one person benefits more than the other in the exact same scenario.
The world is not fair but that is not how some things are meant to be. And the issue here is not exactly fairness (although i admit it does play a part), it is wellbeing.

Putting aside how our local system is with its corruption, looting and politicians' greed, It is in the interest of the you, the government and ultimately even Vimal Shah himself that he pays more tax than you even if he gets a tax cuts that are larger than yours. Because it would improved the wellbeing of everyone including Vimal Shah.
 
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