Incest

Ole Waru

Ole Waru

Elder Lister
Burner said:
You can acquire stds after marriage. Marriages will still break and you can still have unwanted pregnancies. I dont know whats hard here.

Galatians 5:19 are not Christ's words. You may as well quote Pastor Nganga if we arent going to address what Jesus actually said.
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How can you acquire STD's after marriage if you and your partner are faithful? on the pregrancies part i agree that couples do get children they never planned for but at least there is accountability and that is what marriage is meant to provide.

Concerning your last point, all scripture is inspired by God, so we cannot take only the parts that suite our narrative.
 
Ngimanene na Muchere

Ngimanene na Muchere

Elder Lister
Burner said:
I dont think Jesus said anything against incest and you can correct me if Im wrong. But the book your religion is based on is rife with it:
Gen 20:12
Besides, she is indeed my sister, the daughter of my father though not the daughter of my mother, and she became my wife.
Gen 19: 30-38
So he lived in a cave with his two daughters. 31 And the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of all the earth. 32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve offspring from our father.”......
Exodus 6:20
Amram took as his wife Jochebed his father’s sister, and she bore him Aaron and Moses, the years of the life of Amram being 137 years.
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Leviticus 18 addresses incest
 
Burner

Burner

Elder Lister
Ole Waru said:
all scripture is inspired by God, so we cannot take only the parts that suite our narrative.
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Ole Waru said:
Matthew 5:28, KJV: "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

do not allow sinful thoughts to dominate your heart my child.
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Matthew 5:27 references adulterly. So we are talking about a man and a woman who is not his wife...or do we take it to mean all men, married or widowed or single?
If its the former, Meaning you cannot look at your own wife that way. Unless now you to make exceptions and interpret it is meant only for single people. You cant decide to sometimes take "spoken words" literally or interpret them and at the same time have "inspired word" as the spoken by god/jesus/holy spirit/whatever.
You cant have it both ways my friend.

Ole Waru said:
How can you acquire STD's after marriage if you and your partner are faithful?
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You are right you cant. My reason for adding it in my earlier posting was because you seemed to allude that only single people who are involved in "sexual misconduct" can get stds unwanted pregnancies. i was mistaken to add STDs there if the married couple was practicing abstinence and faithful to each other (although none of that was explicitly mentioned before). My point was to show that those misfortunes are not exclusive to single people. Married people can still have unwanted pregnancies and can still have marriages breakdown without cheating coming into the picture.
 
Ole Waru

Ole Waru

Elder Lister
Burner said:
Matthew 5:27 references adulterly. So we are talking about a man and a woman who is not his wife...or do we take it to mean all men, married or widowed or single?
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What Jesus was trying to point out is a principle about the consequences that can come from allowing bad thoughts to linger in our minds, and that applies to all individuals regardless of their marital status. You are looking for hard rules and loopholes to exploit instead of seeing the principles behind the laws.
 
Burner

Burner

Elder Lister
Ole Waru said:
What Jesus was trying to point out is a principle about the consequences that can come from allowing bad thoughts to linger in our minds, and that applies to all individuals regardless of their marital status. You are looking for hard rules and loopholes to exploit instead of seeing the principles behind the laws.
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Really? So why exactly is it wrong to look at your wife with lust? The one person you are supposed (and allowed) to desire sexually and have God-ordained sexual relations with?
 
Ole Waru

Ole Waru

Elder Lister
Corvo Attano said:
There's nothing like virility of the gene pool. Stop using words you don't know the meaning of to describe concepts you don't understand.
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so dismissing another person makes you feel that you know better than them, why don't you state your argument instead of taking a high horse and making yourself judge over others.
 
Burner

Burner

Elder Lister
Ole Waru said:
towards a marriage partner this is allowed
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Ole Waru said:
What Jesus was trying to point out is a principle about the consequences that can come from allowing bad thoughts to linger in our minds, and that applies to all individuals regardless of their marital status.
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So which is it? Because you are saying it applies to everyone then back pedaling and saying married people are the exception. Who now is looking for loopholes?

If you mispoke then cool, mistakes happen.
However, if you mispoke then you must recognize that Matthew 5: 27 onwards is directed only at married people and therefore Jesus made no active mention of what he thinks of sex between single people.
 
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Lister
Incest is punishable sijui miaka ngapi but Kabi and his cousin should see the inside of a prison cell soon. That's the law.
 
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