With Mrima gone, what ways can WSR win clean in 2027?

Denis Young said:
Who is extrapolating to the entire country? I was just referencing the double speak. We have been told on this platform Ruto is corrupt and a killer and therefore the solution is to vote for Okiya Omtatah.
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However, as soon as Matiangi started looking like an option suddenly Omtatah's votes in the poll go from a high of 22 to around 10 votes and Matiangi's sky rocket?
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Matiangi, the guy who gave us river yala and kidnappings and left power as a dollar billionaire.
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Denis Young said:
We have already seen on the polls here somehow kura za Omtatah have vanished and shifted to Matiangi, which in itself is just funny. How quickly people shift their allegiance from the clean candidate to a corrupt, murderous individual with obvious dictatorial tendancies because he is a tough 'performer'. 😅 It is safe to say, Matiangi would be prefered over the the Karua, Omtatah matrix.

That would then leave Ruto vs Matiangi as the two horses. If that were the case, Matiangi would be dusted by morning.

Not only would the kikuyu and Gen Z vote be split, you would probably have apathy in those demographics giving Ruto an upperhand.
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Just going by these comments. But then, the people who support Matiangi in the forum can also give their point of view.

A lot is still going wrong and there are people who are rolling their sleeves and actually doing something for the benefit of Kenyans, but most politicians are simply passive opportunists waiting to jump ship at the right moment to win votes.
 
DeepInYourMind said:
Just going by these comments. But then, the people who support Matiangi in the forum can also give their point of view.

A lot is still going wrong and there are people who are rolling their sleeves and actually doing something for the benefit of Kenyans, but most politicians are simply passive opportunists waiting to jump ship at the right moment to win votes.
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Nobody is saying Matiangi supporters cannot give their views. But let's not pretend fighting corruption is a reason people are protesting Ruto if they are choosing Matiangi on the other hand.

Just like the rest of us, they are choosing what they consider to be the least worst option.
 
Denis Young said:
Nobody is saying Matiangi supporters cannot give their views. But let's not pretend fighting corruption is a reason people are protesting Ruto if they are choosing Matiangi on the other hand.

Just like the rest of us, they are choosing what they consider to be the least worst option.
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Personally I think 'least worst' is a dead strategy now. If there's going to be a way forward, it's going to be a clean break.

GenZ's and younger by virtue of the natural order of the universe get this. But many in the older and more compromised generations have to deal with a lot of baggage they carry around. A lot of the debt being accumulated now through poor governance will be paid off by generations that are not yet even born and GenZs have started feeling the pinch
 
DeepInYourMind said:
Personally I think 'least worst' is a dead strategy now. If there's going to be a way forward, it's going to be a clean break.

GenZ's and younger by virtue of the natural order of the universe get this. But many in the older and more compromised generations have to deal with a lot of baggage they carry around. A lot of the debt being accumulated now through poor governance will be paid off by generations that are not yet even born and GenZs have started feeling the pinch
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Chief, I can remember a few years ago when I was in campus talking about fighting corruption and voting for clean leaders. That is the beauty of youth. You want to destroy everything and start on a clean slate. But I remember my dad telling me how cowards survive and brave people die. At the time, I didn't appreciate the lesson.

Now I do. People got shot, brains spilled on the tarmac outside of parliament and they had their coffins draped with the Kenyan flag and forgotten. Nothing changed. The cowards like Kasmuel and Morara are currently the ones eating the fruits.

You cannot make society change in an instance. It takes decades.
 
Denis Young said:
Chief, I can remember a few years ago when I was in campus talking about fighting corruption and voting for clean leaders. That is the beauty of youth. You want to destroy everything and start on a clean slate. But I remember my dad telling me how cowards survive and brave people die. At the time, I didn't appreciate the lesson.

Now I do. People got shot, brains spilled on the tarmac outside of parliament and they had their coffins draped with the Kenyan flag and forgotten. Nothing changed. The cowards like Kasmuel and Morara are currently the ones eating the fruits.

You cannot make society change in an instance. It takes decades.
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Nope. It only takes a moment.

Insignificant at the moment.

But highly consequential in the long run.

Google these names:

Mohamed Bouazizi

Henry Omondi

And until recently

Ibrahim Traore

And know that you know nothing.

Of our Lords master plan.


:D
 
Denis Young said:
Chief, I can remember a few years ago when I was in campus talking about fighting corruption and voting for clean leaders. That is the beauty of youth. You want to destroy everything and start on a clean slate. But I remember my dad telling me how cowards survive and brave people die. At the time, I didn't appreciate the lesson.

Now I do. People got shot, brains spilled on the tarmac outside of parliament and they had their coffins draped with the Kenyan flag and forgotten. Nothing changed. The cowards like Kasmuel and Morara are currently the ones eating the fruits.

You cannot make society change in an instance. It takes decades.
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Fanyeni hustle majamaa @poop 💩 in 527 lazima iingie ya sonda

 
mzeiya said:
People using common sense.
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Bravo bravo indeed @mzeiya.
Common sense is what Ruto has made Kenyans of all walks of life learn very swiftly and quickly.

The damage Kasongo has done to the country, to his reputation and to his re-election bid is irrecoverable.

How will he explain the abductions and killings of Youngsters from all communities of Kenya? Who is going to forget or forgive that?

How will Kasongo explain tanking the economy and making the cost of living so hard and prohibitive to most people? Only his cronies are having it easy.

Who is going to forget how SHA has contributed to so much misery and deaths to thousands of Kenyans?

Which family has not been affected by the stupid University Funding which has literally made university education unaffordable and out of reach?

Who doesn’t know how Kasongo has given positions and power to the most incompetent people and how everything including his launches of civil works and promises are pure unadulterated lies and conmanship?

How will he insurmount and challenge these deeply held beliefs?

His fanatics don’t want to hear these truths at all. All they want to know is who will take the Mountain votes that Ruto got last election.

They and Ruto must be very deluded thinking that the Mountain and the Country can not get somebody else who can do a better job that the inept Ruto.
 
Denis Young said:
Chief, I can remember a few years ago when I was in campus talking about fighting corruption and voting for clean leaders. That is the beauty of youth. You want to destroy everything and start on a clean slate. But I remember my dad telling me how cowards survive and brave people die. At the time, I didn't appreciate the lesson.

Now I do. People got shot, brains spilled on the tarmac outside of parliament and they had their coffins draped with the Kenyan flag and forgotten. Nothing changed. The cowards like Kasmuel and Morara are currently the ones eating the fruits.

You cannot make society change in an instance. It takes decades.
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Well, guess upon who all progress in society depends on. It depends on the unreasonable ones, the ones who do not perpetrate status quo, but are brave enough to challenge it. The young people who died were unjustly murdered, but justice will come. While their families mourn them now, they will eventually be remembered as heroes.

If you prefer change that takes decades, of the public figures in the country I can only see one who's been consistently championing for the people for decades. And I can only see just a handful who are currently actively helping Kenyans, the rest are simply positioning themselves to get a seat at the table.

When people say it takes a long time for change to come, I suspect they mean it takes a new generation to come up, to reject the old ways of doing things and introduce new ways that will take things forward.
 
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DeepInYourMind said:
Well, guess upon who all progress in society depends on. It depends on the unreasonable ones, the ones who do not perpetrate status quo, but are brave enough to challenge it. The young people who died were unjustly murdered, but justice will come. While their families mourn them now, they will eventually be remembered as heroes.

If you prefer change that takes decades, of the public figures in the country I can only see one who's been consistently championing for the people for decades. And I can only see just a handful who are currently actively helping Kenyans, the rest are simply positioning themselves to get a seat at the table.

When people say it takes a long time for change to come, I suspect they mean it takes a new generation to come up, to reject the old ways of doing things and introduce new ways that will take things forward.
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You will learn soon enough. The so called justice you are waiting for, will never come. The people you are describing as individuals who do not perpetuate status quo will only succeed in creating inflections points whose results will take decades to produce results.

For every public figure who champions for the people there are tens if not hundred who are his mirror opposite.

I have posed this question before, even if the popular champion of the people, Omtatah, won the presidency, it is a given he wouldn't even have anything close to a majority in parliament. The old corrupt gang will have the majority. How would he then be able to effect change? Who isn't to say they would frustrate him at every turn?

How would he navigate a corrupt judiciary?

Draw me a picture of how a clean candidate introduces and roots a new way of doing things.
 
Denis Young said:
You will learn soon enough. The so called justice you are waiting for, will never come. The people you are describing as individuals who do not perpetuate status quo will only succeed in creating inflections points whose results will take decades to produce results.

For every public figure who champions for the people there are tens if not hundred who are his mirror opposite.

I have posed this question before, even if the popular champion of the people, Omtatah, won the presidency, it is a given he wouldn't even have anything close to a majority in parliament. The old corrupt gang will have the majority. How would he then be able to effect change? Who isn't to say they would frustrate him at every turn?

How would he navigate a corrupt judiciary?

Draw me a picture of how a clean candidate introduces and roots a new way of doing things.
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Trump, for example, completely changed the course of American politics from zero, in just two years and making enemies on both sides of the political divide.

We have seen in just a few years, a wave of liberation from colonial powers in West Africa.

Change delays because the people who would benefit from it convince themselves it's impossible, they lose the mental battle even before the struggle begins. And the people who benefit from status quo like it that way because it can continue. But a new generation is not held down by shackles of the past.

You've already convinced yourself change is impossible, so you're looking for every reason to justify your decision.
 
kibinda nkoye1 said:
At this point what is rather obvious is that Mt Kenya will vote against Ruto and his cabal. Stop dreaming that he will get a semblance of what he got (from the mt that is) in 22 just because its not clear at this point who they will vote for.
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If we stick to tribal arithmetic then MK West will vote for whoever Rigathi says. MK East however have a stake with Kindiki as DP. So if Ruto inherits Raila's constituency, keeps his own constituency, and gets a piece of MK, hiyo hesabu si unaona?

On the other side, you cannot procure a relevant Kikuyu candidate and without one, you will just have apathy in MT Kenya. The only thing you can hope to do is prevent a 50+1.
 
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