Another Null & Void
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Field Marshal
Elder Lister
I will continue asking, who elected the courts to run this country? Why are judgements and injunctions against murderers and the corrupt not given within three days?
Relic Hunter
Elder Lister
wrongturn
Elder Lister
but wakenya hatujielewi when govt. wanted to use nys to streamline kenya power meter reading , we complained our relatives will be rendered jobless , someone rushed to court and an injunction was issued yet keep complaining of high power bills.
We complain govt. hospitals doesn't have drugs but when something is done to fix it, we cry militarization and cheer when injunctions are issued.
sio bure uhuru asked "mnataka nifanye nini?".
We complain govt. hospitals doesn't have drugs but when something is done to fix it, we cry militarization and cheer when injunctions are issued.
sio bure uhuru asked "mnataka nifanye nini?".
Kasaman
Elder Lister
Courts have failed Kenyans. The murders committed by police and extortion during the just ended curfew period,none no justice fro courts ! AND MANY CASES DRAGGING FOR AGES . THUGS HAVE INVADED THE JUSTICE SYSTEM TO THE CORE.
@Field Marshal , feel free to puke you vayolence
Mr Black
Elder Lister
So how exactly do we improve the quality of decisions made by our decisionmaking organs if they face no challenges when they roll out programs?
The first case you cited Kenya Power won, no one knows how the KEMSA one will play out, the executive might just win, who knows! The goal is to refine the decisionmaking process, even at the some considerable pain and inconvenience
Ubongo
Elder Lister
Mimi nataka hao military waingilie Kplc and the ministry of health
wrongturn
Elder Lister
of course the decisions, must be challenged when need to like bbi, for the greater good of the public, but sio kila saa, like Kenya power, everyone has been complaining in getting wrong bills or exaggerated yet when a third eye is introduced to verify ,some quarters are offended, any reasonable person would have no qualms with the audit. same with kemsa ,those HODs are the most corrupt.
Change is usually resisted, there was a time some kra staff were suspended but they rushed to court and they went back to business.
Sahi everyone is complaining about corruption at immigration but when something is done ,we shall cry militarization or kenya is not a police state.
QuadroK4000
Elder Lister
This is very sad
Denis Young
Elder Lister
How is using the military or NYS a long term solution to corruption in this country? No wonder nothing improves. Next year, Nairobu county will be under a governor and the NMS will no longer be around. The next president could/will remove the KDF, NYS and NMS from these organizations and then what?
The way some of you make and support decisions is so intellectually lazy, I am sorry to say.
The way some of you make and support decisions is so intellectually lazy, I am sorry to say.
wrongturn
Elder Lister
what do you propose? have you ever participated in any public forum for policy change? Corruption in kenya will not end in one day but abruptly disturbing the well established chains suppresses it for a while, we were all happy when nys were used to improve services at the birth registrar, nobody complained of militarization, the onus will be on the next president to further kill corruption, if they remove everything and come up with a better solution ,well and good.Kuna kitu huitwa quick fixes.
It's Me Scumbag
Elder Lister
As long as fight against corruption is not fought from the top,the presidency,and values imparted to the next generation,nothing they do will have ANY EFFECT at all.
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Kasaman
Elder Lister
This is and will always be a thorny constitution issue which must be amended. And the constitution amendment must be address by serious people minus rao
God bless our land
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Denis Young
Elder Lister
And there it is. Your lazy assumption that this move by the president is meant to stifle corruption as if you just airdropped into kenya 24 hours ago.
Where is Kembi Gitura's head? Wasn't he rewarded with a transfer to another organisation after overseeing the theft of billions?
Now you are here suggesting that this crime lies in the hands of 900+ junior employees, who have been unilaterally condemned as guilty without charge!
This is nothing more than a cover up! Where are the managers of the companies that received the kemsa billions? Why has that line of questioning been snuffed? After the 'restructuring' , will we be furnished with the names of these criminals or will it die at that?
How then can we say we are killing corruption when we sink the boat to kill some rats, while the king and queen of the rats sails away in a lifeboat?
wrongturn
Elder Lister
yes mister genius am very lazy, now tell me a quick fix solution on how to ger rid of corruption or rather how do you suppress it?
simulisema form ni bottom up? or you think the same model can't be applied to corruption? worse corruption is at the bottom 'coz it directly affects common folks like me.
Denis Young
Elder Lister
Mambo ya bottom up umetoa wapi? We are discussing what the current president can do.
For starters, he has actively used the DCI and EACC, supposedly independent bodies to attack people who are against him. It would then apply that he would be able to direct them to investigate those who received money from Kemsa and how they came about those tenders.
He should also tell us why he transferred Kembi Gitura to another post despite being the person who was in charge during the Kemsa scandal.
Once we have our suspects and evidence is tabled, then we can have the real fish rotting in jail.
Finally, audit the procurement processes and tighten what needs to be tightened. It would also help very much if the president was not part of the thievery as well. What happened to the mobile clinics?
wrongturn
Elder Lister
Nasi he is employing bottom up in corruption? when you applied for a birth cert before matiang'i cleaned it up, the person at the reception tells you it's not ready till you part with 1000 bob you'll get it in a matter of minutes, those desk pushers are the most corrupt, they know the system through and through,
Board members will come and go but the civil servants are there till retirement or death.
A neighbor was following up her death father pension for months at treasury, every time she was told the file is not ready, after an year as she was exiting the building after being told file bado haionekani, she started chatting up a cleaner venting her frustrations about numerous trips she has made to those offices to no avail, the cleaner just told her , enda leta 30k then come see me, she negotiated to 25k, tulimchangia and she gave the cleaner and within 4 wks, the funds were processed , the file "suddenly appeared" .I believe at immigration it is even worse.
Corruption is entrenched in kenya, sio siri, no matter how many board members or presidents are changed as long as the roots are still there,nothing will change.
When ifmis was introduced, who do you think frustrated the initiative ? even the digital land register that was recently introduced to curb corruption, who do you think are sabotaging it? Board members or the clerks?or why do you think at kemsa they suspended even cleaners na watu wachai?