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Not a fan of Ruto at all and don't think I would elect him but what perplexes me is how we are defending and sanitising the Kenyan family mentioned in the #PandoraPapers.
Reminds me of when the Panama Papers were first revealed and how many protests happened in more progressive countries leading to resignations and prosecutions. Is it any wonder then that we remain in the same vicious cycle of bad leadership and poor governance...
 
One thing stands out for me: the misappropriation of monies given to the Jomo Kenyatta government to buy land to resettle the landless and those displaced and disinherited during the war for independence.
No one,even the bulogas and apologists and detractors can explain this.
And this is the genesis of every thing wrong with us.
 
It's Me Scumbag said:
One thing stands out for me: the misappropriation of monies given to the Jomo Kenyatta government to buy land to resettle the landless and those displaced and disinherited during the war for independence.
No one,even the bulogas and apologists and detractors can explain this.
And this is the genesis of every thing wrong with us.
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John Allan Namu's mini-documentary traces it way back to those Jomo days and even how the CIA flagged the fragrant acquisition of prime land by that Kiambu clique and their cronies. It went on during the Moi years where a sort of pact was made to protect each other's backs and all the way to 2002 and Uhuru after 2007 election playing the tribe card and join forces with Kibaki. It is a reality we all know but some of us have perfected the art of hiding our heads in the sand more than even ostriches do.

 
mzeiya said:
John Allan Namu's mini-documentary traces it way back to those Jomo days and even how the CIA flagged the fragrant acquisition of prime land by that Kiambu clique and their cronies. It went on during the Moi years where a sort of pact was made to protect each other's backs and all the way to 2002 and Uhuru after 2007 election playing the tribe card and join forces with Kibaki. It is a reality we all know but some of us have perfected the art of hiding our heads in the sand more than even ostriches do.

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New York Times - 1975

www.nytimes.com

Corruption and Repression Mar the Success of Kenya (Published 1975)

Kenyan Pres Jomo Kenyatta, who has governed better than most African leaders, now faces growing and open public disenchantment; has damaged, in recent yrs, pol image and alienated more and more Kenyans by abuses of power, by piling up growing fortune and by moving to stifle development of freer...
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

And yet there are people here who want us not to talk about the genesis of the mess that is Kenya today.
 
Nattydread said:
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Am sorry but I will continue calling out low-IQ, bonobo bullshit every time I see it. WHERE HAS IT BE SAID THAT THE KENYATTAS HAVE STASHED TRILLIONS in tax havens?

Mimi nitaendelea kusema kukosa akili kama huyo Ogola ni kitu mbaya sana...........

I may be pro-Ruto but I will continue insisting that we have fidelity to the truth...........
 
mzeiya said:
Not a fan of Ruto at all and don't think I would elect him but what perplexes me is how we are defending and sanitising the Kenyan family mentioned in the #PandoraPapers.
Reminds me of when the Panama Papers were first revealed and how many protests happened in more progressive countries leading to resignations and prosecutions. Is it any wonder then that we remain in the same vicious cycle of bad leadership and poor governance...
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I will ask you this, and answer me directly. Was it illegal for the Kenyattas to have accounts in tax havens? Is there evidence of ill-doing? Is what te Kenyattas engaged in not a very common practice among corporations and high-net individuals? The Kenyattas accounts were deactivated when he became president so if they were to be used as conduits for corruption why weren't they kept active? Consider this from the BBC story:

A search of public records in BVI and Panama found that most of the companies linked to the Kenyattas are now dormant, some of them as a result of non-payment of regulatory fees. It's not illegal to run secret companies, but some have been used as a front to divert money, avoid taxes and for money laundering.

The Pandora Papers, however, show no evidence that the Kenyatta family stole or hid state assets in their offshore companies.

I hold you to a very high standard and do not expect you to join the troop of yelling, yelping monkeys who think they have seen a snake when its only a rope..........
 
It's Me Scumbag said:
New York Times - 1975

www.nytimes.com

Corruption and Repression Mar the Success of Kenya (Published 1975)

Kenyan Pres Jomo Kenyatta, who has governed better than most African leaders, now faces growing and open public disenchantment; has damaged, in recent yrs, pol image and alienated more and more Kenyans by abuses of power, by piling up growing fortune and by moving to stifle development of freer...
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

And yet there are people here who want us not to talk about the genesis of the mess that is Kenya today.
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I am going to be honest with you. That article praises Jomo more than it condemns him. Given that it was written in aftermath of the riots that followed the killing of JM, I think it aptly captures the truth of the first Kenyatta administration - a glowing success........
 
Field Marshal said:
I will ask you this, and answer me directly. Was it illegal for the Kenyattas to have accounts in tax havens? Is there evidence of ill-doing? Is what te Kenyattas engaged in not a very common practice among corporations and high-net individuals? The Kenyattas accounts were deactivated when he became president so if they were to be used as conduits for corruption why weren't they kept active? Consider this from the BBC story:

A search of public records in BVI and Panama found that most of the companies linked to the Kenyattas are now dormant, some of them as a result of non-payment of regulatory fees. It's not illegal to run secret companies, but some have been used as a front to divert money, avoid taxes and for money laundering.

The Pandora Papers, however, show no evidence that the Kenyatta family stole or hid state assets in their offshore companies.

I hold you to a very high standard and do not expect you to join the troop of yelling, yelping monkeys who think they have seen a snake when its only a rope..........
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1. Stashing away loot acquired either legally or via dubious means abroad is not illegal but is counterproductive especially for a struggling economy as ours.
2. Those off-shore companies actually have very stringent rules not to expose their real clients and hide the real owners of such wealth behind layers upon layers of proxies. An example of one used by Uhuru, his mum, brother and sisters declares this
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Another goes on to say
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3. They were never deactivated when Uhuru assumed power with multiples of them remaining active.

Lastly, I really don't mind you considering me as one of the so-called monkeys coz it only shows that you would rather get along with those that agree with your views to a tee yet the World only grows when we allow divergent views a space and allow for sober debate instead of snide remarks and namecalling.

Siku njema senior.
 
mzeiya said:
1. Stashing away loot acquired either legally or via dubious means abroad is not illegal but is counterproductive especially for a struggling economy as ours.
2. Those off-shore companies actually have very stringent rules not to expose their real clients and hide the real owners of such wealth behind layers upon layers of proxies. An example of one used by Uhuru, his mum, brother and sisters declares this
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Another goes on to say
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3. They were never deactivated when Uhuru assumed power with multiples of them remaining active.

Lastly, I really don't mind you considering me as one of the so-called monkeys coz it only shows that you would rather get along with those that agree with your views to a tee yet the World only grows when we allow divergent views a space and allow for sober debate instead of snide remarks and namecalling.

Siku njema senior.
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1. I do not understand your first point.
2. Correct. Even local banks have similar rules.
3. Kindly re-read the extract from the BBC story above. The year of deactivation was 2014.

And no, I am not a thought dictator. Think whatever you want. But be sure of this Ka-Dynasty, I will call out BS. So let me repeat, using the BBC's own words:

The Pandora Papers, however, show no evidence that the Kenyatta family stole or hid state assets in their offshore companies.

I know it doesn't rhyme with the popular narrative, but fidelity to the truth is one of my weaknesses................
 
Field Marshal said:
I am going to be honest with you. That article praises Jomo more than it condemns him. Given that it was written in aftermath of the riots that followed the killing of JM, I think it aptly captures the truth of the first Kenyatta administration - a glowing success........
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I agree. Thought so too. But the blight brought about by the family's involvement in shady dealings messes up that tribute. Don't you think so?
 
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