This is Guok, Oooops, Guka - Hata Kama Nawa-Bore....................

[The.Black.Templar]

and yet all these events are actually not mutually exclusive, this virus does not become less lethal because some are using it to enrich themselves or because some are ultra-fatalistic, if anything the corruption, politics and inconsistent application of covid19 response regulations only serves to help the virus spread further and faster, with our already overwhelmed health facilities probability of death increases even for those with mild symptoms, how can you not see this?

exactly

 

[bigDog]

the fact that corona hasnt stopped business as usual and that there is no willingness to stop is says alot

You rarguments when simplified is like....

1. people in government are stealing public funds meant to fight covid-19 disease.

2. If covid-19 disease really existed, people in government would not steal funda meant to fight.

3 therefore covid-19 disease does not exist because the thieves in government are stealing covid-19 funds.

Is that your reasoning?

 

[bigDog]

Now this is just laughable, very laughable Mr @bigDog , hasn't Trump been on the forefront even stepping in where governors failed their states?

How has he stepped in?

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

You rarguments when simplified is like....

1. people in government are stealing public funds meant to fight covid-19 disease.

2. If covid-19 disease really existed, people in government would not steal funda meant to fight.

3 therefore covid-19 disease does not exist because the thieves in government are stealing covid-19 funds.

Is that your reasoning?

Take his argument in totality, not what you are attempting to make of it

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

How has he stepped in?

Ventilators for a start, America have an excess of them at the moment

 

[bigDog]

Look at how American hospitals are reporting on Corona and note, we are just copy and paste what they are doing to the T, or what original thing has Kenya done that they haven't copied?

Give me a credible source about your figures.

 

[bigDog]

Take his argument in totality, not what you are attempting to make of it

Sasa wewe, hajaomba mji. Noogle!

 

[The.Black.Templar]

Yes, he is asking people open schools because he is a Moron. He advocated for premature opening (which our morons copied) and now a few states have had to shut down again. Anything the Moron in chief does has to have some selfish political motive behind it.

The virus is here to stay forever, it is best we learn how to live with it while going about our daily businesses. Those who want to stay at home forever have a choice to do so.

Do you know the pnuemonia mortality deaths for children is 16% do you know as at february this year there were over 190K recorded pneumonia cases? How do you think all those cases are being treated currently? Do you know in 2017 over 20K people died of pnuomonia? Did people stop living their lives?

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

Give me a credible source about your figures.

The Federal Provider Relief Fund enhances the hospitals reimbursement for a COVID-19 death by 20%. This is an attempt to offset money hospitals are losing due to fewer elective surgeries and preparing for the pandemic.

Read more about Federal Provider Relief Fund and there's your answer to why hospitals are doing so.

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

Sasa wewe, hajaomba mji. Noogle!

You cannot nit pick a reply to suit you.

 

[bigDog]

The virus is here to stay forever, it is best we learn how to live with it while going about our daily businesses. Those who want to stay at home forever have a choice to do so.

Do you know the pnuemonia mortality deaths for children is 16% do you know as at february this year there were over 190K recorded pneumonia cases? How do you think all those cases are being treated currently? Do you know in 2017 over 20K people died of pnuomonia? Did people stop living their lives?

1. I agree that the economy has to find a way of having essential sectors operating. Sectors like healthcare, logistics, water supply etc.

2. Its was premature to open bars (read restaurants) and places of worship.

3. Due to uncontrollable contacts, schools and entertainment venues/events (discos, Kesha, public rallies) should be the last to open for obvious reasons.

4. Pneumonia is a fairly common disease that does not spread as rapidly as Covid-19. Covid-19 is a global pandemic capable of killing millions. Can you share the source of your data? I need to do some comparisons.

 

[R_Silver]

The Provider Relief Funds supports American families, workers, and the heroic healthcare providers in the battle against the COVID-19 outbreak. HHS is distributing $175 billion to hospitals and healthcare providers on the front lines of the coronavirus response. Ctrl+V from the HHS.gov website

So the MOH in the US has put aside $175B to compensate health industry players fighting a fake disease? OK..

Or is it not a fake disease but exaggerated by the hospitals to get more funds? In which case they are committing fraud and yet none of the US law enforcement agencies has seen it fit to take up such an open and shut case?

 

[Abba]

Ladies and gentlemen, and Jaruos too, wash your hands. Sanitise. Wear masks (Trump capitulated yesterday). Keep social distance.

1 ladies
2 gentlemen
introvert njoo

 

[bigDog]

You cannot nit pick a reply to suit you.

I wanted to understand the basis(premises) of his arguments so that I can show him errors in his argument. Wewe na kiherehere yako unataka kujibu a question that's been targeted at him.

 

[bigDog]

The Provider Relief Funds supports American families, workers, and the heroic healthcare providers in the battle against the COVID-19 outbreak. HHS is distributing $175 billion to hospitals and healthcare providers on the front lines of the coronavirus response. Ctrl+V from the HHS.gov website

So the MOH in the US has put aside $175B to compensate health industry players fighting a fake disease? OK..

Or is it not a fake disease but exaggerated by the hospitals to get more funds? In which case they are committing fraud and yet none of the US law enforcement agencies has seen it fit to take up such an open and shut case?

Wanakuja na spin? @the b

 

[The.Black.Templar]

1. I agree that the economy has to find a way of having essential sectors operating. Sectors like healthcare, logistics, water supply etc.

2. Its was premature to open bars (read restaurants) and places of worship.

3. Due to uncontrollable contacts, schools and entertainment venues/events (discos, Kesha, public rallies) should be the last to open for obvious reasons.

4. Pneumonia is a fairly common disease that does not spread as rapidly as Covid-19. Covid-19 is a global pandemic capable of killing millions. Can you share the source of your data? I need to do some comparisons.

You can go to page 247 and page 250,

now looking at the recorded cases of the respiratory system on page 250, imagine all those cases are being treated as covid.

Where are all those people now?, wakitokea they will be treated as COVID and if they die, it will be recorded as a covid death just because they want more money for themselves.

 

[bigDog]

You can go to page 247 and page 250, now looking at the recorded cases of the respiratory system on page 250, imagine all those cases are being treated as covid. Where are all those people now, wakitokea they will be treated as COVID and if they die, it will be recorded as a covid death just because they want more money for themselves.

1. I'm not disputing these figures, but give a credible source that shows that pneumonia deaths are being deliberately mis-classified as Covid-19 disease deaths.

2. Consider the current protocol of death reporting. Only patients that have a POSITIVE LABORATORY outcome and die are considered covid-19 disease victims. If you collapse on the roadside and had covid-19 symptoms, you are NOT in covid-19 statistics. Those guys collapsing kwa Barabara are definitely excluded.

3. Given tbese facts and unexplained increased mortality rate across Europe and the USA, would it be reasonable to say that covid-19 disease is killing more people than we know?

Underreporting Of COVID-19 Coronavirus Deaths In The U.S. And Europe (Update)

No death should be a mere statistic. But, it may be worse for a death to be an inaccurate statistic, or one that in some sense doesn’t exist. Accounting for COVID-19 deaths that happen in nursing homes and at home rectifies this issue.

www.google.com

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

The Provider Relief Funds supports American families, workers, and the heroic healthcare providers in the battle against the COVID-19 outbreak. HHS is distributing $175 billion to hospitals and healthcare providers on the front lines of the coronavirus response. Ctrl+V from the HHS.gov website

So the MOH in the US has put aside $175B to compensate health industry players fighting a fake disease? OK..

Or is it not a fake disease but exaggerated by the hospitals to get more funds? In which case they are committing fraud and yet none of the US law enforcement agencies has seen it fit to take up such an open and shut case?

There lies the incentive to exaggerate deaths and cases, it's more profitable. Should read more about what entails the cause of death to see how it's factored in

 

[Ngimanene na Muchere]

1. I'm not disputing these figures, but give a credible source that shows that pneumonia deaths are being deliberately mis-classified as Covid-19 disease deaths.

2. Consider the current protocol of death reporting. Only patients that have a POSITIVE LABORATORY outcome and die are considered covid-19 disease victims. If you collapse on the roadside and had covid-19 symptoms, you are NOT in covid-19 statistics. Those guys collapsing kwa Barabara are definitely excluded.

3. Given tbese facts and unexplained increased mortality rate across Europe and the USA, would it be reasonable to say that covid-19 disease is killing more people than we know?

Underreporting Of COVID-19 Coronavirus Deaths In The U.S. And Europe (Update)

No death should be a mere statistic. But, it may be worse for a death to be an inaccurate statistic, or one that in some sense doesn’t exist. Accounting for COVID-19 deaths that happen in nursing homes and at home rectifies this issue.

www.google.com

So you agree that no 2 is just GoK scaremongering with the suits?

 

[The.Black.Templar]

1. I'm not disputing these figures, but give a credible source that shows that pneumonia deaths are being deliberately mis-classified as Covid-19 disease deaths.

2. Consider the current protocol of death reporting. Only patients that have a POSITIVE LABORATORY outcome and die are considered covid-19 disease victims. If you collapse on the roadside and had covid-19 symptoms, you are NOT in covid-19 statistics. Those guys collapsing kwa Barabara are definitely excluded.

3. Given tbese facts and unexplained increased mortality rate across Europe and the USA, would it be reasonable to say that covid-19 disease is killing more people than we know?

Underreporting Of COVID-19 Coronavirus Deaths In The U.S. And Europe (Update)

No death should be a mere statistic. But, it may be worse for a death to be an inaccurate statistic, or one that in some sense doesn’t exist. Accounting for COVID-19 deaths that happen in nursing homes and at home rectifies this issue.

www.google.com

Its on record lancet labs are giving fake results, and once a fake result is reported that is it, they never go back to correct that error.

Why are you asking for data and then ignoring it?

Ps what does that article have to do with kenya?