This is Guka - Ferk You Kagame, Ferk You

Field Marshal

Elder Lister
You are one of my heroes sir, but sometimes I fear you are a psychopath. Surely, sir, you do not kill a housefly with a mallet? Why kil such a young, patriotic singer? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarggggh! Ferk you!

Go well, Kizito Mihigo, go well.

 

Field Marshal

Elder Lister
Mi huona watu hapa wakisema they would want a Kagame-like leader in Kenya nanyamaza tu.
Kenya kuna self-hate ingine ajabu. reading comments online you might think ours is truly a shithole but I like telling people statistics don't lie. KENYA IS A DEMOCRACY, HAS A PROFESSIONAL MILITARY AND IS THE 71ST BIGGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD. In some emerging technologies and industries such as renewables we are at the cutting edge. Lakini because somebody lives in Mukuru or Mathare all he does is diss this lovely nation.........................
 

upepo

Elder Lister
We have to be aware always of Rwanda's peculiar characteristics and history that make the ideals of 'free speech' and 'democracy' as defined in Western philosophy untenable. In the past, spoken words have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands, sometimes involving one family member against another. As the situation stands, imposing strict democracy on the country would quickly unravel the gains achieved so far in rebuilding the Rwandan society. When the worst happens, those shouting loudest and their supporters will not be around to witness the consequences of their actions. It is the hapless that will be subjected to suffering. I see no evil in silencing individuals who cannot discern the need for great wisdom when addressing sensitive issues. Rwanda will remain a sensitive case for a long time and for good reasons. Those who said nothing when the country was falling apart should not now pretend to know what it needs to keep standing.
 
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Field Marshal

Elder Lister
We have to be aware always of Rwanda's peculiar characteristics and history that make the ideals of 'free speech' and 'democracy' as defined in Western philosophy untenable. In the past, spoken words have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands, sometimes involving one family member against another. As the situation stands, imposing strict democracy on the country would quickly unravel the gains achieved so far in rebuilding the Rwandan society. When the worst happens, those shouting loudest and their supporters will not be around to witness the consequences of their actions. It is the hapless that will be subjected to suffering. I see no evil in silencing individuals who cannot discern the need for great wisdom when addressing sensitive issues. Rwanda will remain a sensitive case for a long time and for good reasons. Those who said nothing when the country was falling apart should not now pretend to know what it needs to keep standing.
I agree with you largely. Even here in Kenya, I have a problem with the extent of our 'democracy' - giving a poorly educated populace with a non-existent sense civic responsibility is a recipe for disaster. At our current level of socio-political devt, a certain authoritarianism is called for.

Having said this, I find it difficult to accept that murder should be allowed to become a routine tool of governance. This is too draconian. I will accept things like detention without trial, but reserve murder/assassination/etc for armed insurrection only. Kagame just too often resorts to murder even when it is not necessary.
 

ingwe

Lister
A country, deepending on its history, will be very sensitive to certain things. Also, remember that its leaders are bred from that history.

Here is a look at a sister dictatorship of Kagame's i.e. Uganda.

Uganda
Govt: Dictatorship
president: Yoweri
History: Several military coups, dictators and civil war

The current president has ruled for 34yrs and is still going strong. His style of leadership has kept the country peaceful and the economy growing.

Pros:

He has kept the country peacefull for practically all his years in power except for kony in the North who has also been defeated and apparently is hiding out in DRC
Economy: you can view a chart of Uganda's economic growth rate here: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=UG
Note how sharply it rose after 1986 when M7 came to power and mostly stayed in the 6% range or higher.
Aids: Uganda has been credited with one of the best attempts to stem the spread of aids on the continent.

Cons:

No democracy: Uganda had a no party system (which is a one party system in disguise). But we in kenya know what a multiparty system can lead to if not properly managed. Here we have each tribe forming its own party then teaming up with parties created by other tribes. This is not how a multiparty democracy should work as it should be based on issues, not tribe. So, given Uganda's history of civil war, a no party system was probably the best

For me, I think Uganda has done well so far. Personally, I would rather have peace and economic growth rather than democracy and civil wars.

In Rwanda's case, kagame has done alot of good for that country in terms of economic growth and other aspects of the country. But he is a dictator at the end of the day and the country is extremely sensitive to its past of genocide. Thats why when musicians start singing about the genocide that may inflame ethnic tensions, we have a result like this. I dont think he was killed on Kagame's orders parse, but maybe by an overzealous cop who went overboard.

Even in democractic nations like Germany, if you start singing that Hitler is great or if you even display a Swastika, you can be jailed. This is an example of another country that is extremely sensitive to its past.

Each country must find a way to remain united and move forward. For some countries, democracy will not work while for others, given their current state of development, it may be a utopia which can only be achieved after years or even decades of dictatorship.

Countries like Russia may split up if made truly democratic just the USSR split after attempts were made to democratize it.
 

Ssabasajja

Elder Lister
rwandees wanejaa huko living miserable lives relying on relief.
Kuna the same tribe ya hao watu iko Burundi and DR Congo waitwa Banyamulenge who came to Kenya as refugees. They speak the same language too. They are most likely not Rwandans. Hata Kasa na Kayole wamejaa.
 

Ekiarambe

Lister
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Kuna the same tribe ya hao watu iko Burundi and DR Congo waitwa Banyamulenge who came to Kenya as refugees. They speak the same language too. They are most likely not Rwandans. Hata Kasa na Kayole wamejaa.
My barber is from Burundi but for sometime I thought he's from Rwanda.
 
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