Religion being a manmade thing.

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Mtukufu

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Whether you are a Catholic, Christian, Muslim or a nonbeliever,, all that matters in life is that you trust and believe in God the Almighty.
We shall all see heaven,, as long as you are slightly righteous.
 
bigDog

bigDog

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I'm agnostic. I don't have a proof that some god(s) exists. The most difficult part is providing evidence of non existence of god(s). How can you prove a negative? How many assertions in arguments do you have to prove/disapprove?
 
mzeiya

mzeiya

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It's Me Scumbag said:
Which scriptures? The following are scriptures if you ask the concerned:
The Hebrew Bible
The Kojiki
The Avesta
The Qur'an
The Vedas
The Bible
The Tripitaka
The GuruGranath Sajib
Kitab-al-Aqdas
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Now you're trolling 😁.
FYI, no one kwa hii post amesema yeye ni atheist who are usually a pain in the nini. I've met many agnostics and they're very open minded. Discussion iendelee
 
It's Me Scumbag

It's Me Scumbag

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mzeiya said:
Now you're trolling 😁.
FYI, no one kwa hii post amesema yeye ni atheist who are usually a pain in the nini. I've met many agnostics and they're very open minded. Discussion iendelee
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Just asking questions of the 'believers'...They can be asked of any believer of any religion.
Problem is with the so called Christians: they fail to explain their beliefs when 'challenged'

For info,I have read several of the books I have mentioned.
And if I was trolling...it would be like this

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bigDog

bigDog

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I started as a theist and couldn't find a stable ground to stand on. I turned to an atheist and couldn't also prove non-existence of a god(s). I'm ambivalent now, I dont know whether He/She/They exist. If god(s) exist, there is a lot of mess that needs to be taken care of. Kwanza hiyo nyangau ilienda na pesa yangu hapo Githurai 45.
 
mzeiya

mzeiya

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It's Me Scumbag said:
Just asking questions of the 'believers'...They can be asked of any believer of any religion.
Problem is with the so called Christians: they fail to explain their beliefs when 'challenged'

For info,I have read several of the books I have mentioned.
And if I was trolling...it would be like this

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I understand and respect where you are coming from and believe it or not, I've had those long discourses with so many non Christians without much fruit.

I believe in God fully and this is not blind faith but by personal conviction and close examining of all that Christianity pertains including its quite ugly past eg crusades.

Also, I know that as a Christian, I'm set up to be bashed constantly and that's fine. That's why I prefer to respond via scripture for I believe 100% that it's God's word and I'm just a follower of Christ.

Am I perfect? No. We are not sinners because we sin but because we are born sinners and as humans, we are not earthy beings having a spiritual experience but rather the vise versa.
 
It's Me Scumbag

It's Me Scumbag

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mzeiya said:
I understand and respect where you are coming from and believe it or not, I've had those long discourses with so many non Christians without much fruit.

I believe in God fully and this is not blind faith but by personal conviction and close examining of all that Christianity pertains including its quite ugly past eg crusades.

Also, I know that as a Christian, I'm set up to be bashed constantly and that's fine. That's why I prefer to respond via scripture for I believe 100% that it's God's word and I'm just a follower of Christ.

Am I perfect? No. We are not sinners because we sin but because we are born sinners and as humans, we are not earthy beings having a spiritual experience but rather the vise versa.
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Exactly. Believe and let believe.

The misunderstanding comes in when believers believe that theirs is the only true belief and try to convert others to their belief system. They judge and claim others are not true beliefs.
And I am not just talking about Christians.

As pertains your own beliefs,it is only because you were socialized in that belief system,so it is only natural that you 'know' its the only one. Had you been socialized otherwise, you would be behaving and claiming differently.
 
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Kamau wa Kíríro

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It's Me Scumbag said:
Exactly. Believe and let believe.

The misunderstanding comes in when believers believe that theirs is the only true belief and try to convert others to their belief system. The judge and claim others are not true beliefs.
And I am not talking about Christians.

As pertains your own beliefs,it is only because you were socialized in that belief system,so it is only natural that you 'know' its the only one. Had you been socialized otherwise, you would be behaving and claiming differently.
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Exactly.... perhaps he's lucky not to have been socialized into seeing holiness instead of beef....
 
bigDog

bigDog

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Having crossed the religious debate floor several times, I understand the difficulty of being on either side. Many people take religion very personally especially when you attack their religious sect. Ironically, they are perfectly happy to attack other religious sects. Evangelicals disbelieve Catholics, Christians disbelieve muslims while both disbelieve buddhism. I disbelieve all of them!
 
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