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Why do you rest on Sunday, the first day of the week, when you know so very well that the commandment is to rest on the seventh day, which happens to be on Saturday the last day of the week?
 
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mzeiya

Elder Lister
Not a theologian but my kidogo understanding is that Jews who Christ was one didn't and don't use the Gregorian calendar. They use the Hebrew calendar that is based on the moon meaning their Sabbath can fall on any day of the week.

This was extremely strict and SDAs, I believe still abide by it. Lakini, when Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week, things changed. Christ, the second Adam, “finished” (John 19:30) the work that the first Adam failed to do (Rom. 5:12-19). Because of that pivotal event, the church determined that for Christians under the new covenant, the day of worship and celebration of the Lord’s grace in Jesus Christ was to be the first day of the week, Sunday

My last take is that going to Church and observing Sabbath are two very different things.
If you've taken a holiday in Dubai, you'll realize that there's a very active Christian community that actually observes the Sabbath on Friday when it's a day to congregate like the other Muslims and they're totally correct! Sunday is usually like Sato here and Sunday like a Monday hehehe.

Anyway, I don't think which day one chooses to rest is such a big deal.

Better theologians such as @Ole Waru @Liberty @Ngimanene na Muchere, @Mwalimu-G (with help from his wife) and others can elaborate further..
 

Mwalimu-G

Elder Lister
Why do you rest on Sunday, the first day of the week, when you know so very well that the commandment is to rest on the seventh day, which happens to be on Saturday the last day of the week on the current gregorian calendar?
Why should I be following the Gregorian Calendar? I am African.
 

Mwalimu-G

Elder Lister
This was extremely strict and SDAs, I believe still abide by it. Lakini, when Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week, things changed. Christ, the second Adam, “finished” (John 19:30) the work that the first Adam failed to do (Rom. 5:12-19). Because of that pivotal event, the church determined that for Christians under the new covenant, the day of worship and celebration of the Lord’s grace in Jesus Christ was to be the first day of the week, Sunday
My friend this sounds hocus pocus.
Jesus rising did not change the commandment that says you set aside the Sabbath as holy.

My two cents though - The confusion is because the Romans appropriated useful parts of different religions to cobble up Catholicism. Catholicism, if you look closely, is like a quilt of many rags or Joseph's coat of many colors. It has nothing to do with divine direction.
 

Ngimanene na Muchere

Elder Lister
Why do you rest on Sunday, the first day of the week, when you know so very well that the commandment is to rest on the seventh day, which happens to be on Saturday the last day of the week on the current gregorian calendar?
There are many ways of looking at this, but primarily it`s Easter Sunday when Jesus resurrected. And also difference between Mosaic Law in OT and Grace in NT. Can read Acts 15
 
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Ngimanene na Muchere

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My friend this sounds hocus pocus.
Jesus rising did not change the commandment that says you set aside the Sabbath as holy.

My two cents though - The confusion is because the Romans appropriated useful parts of different religions to cobble up Catholicism. Catholicism, if you look closely, is like a quilt of many rags or Joseph's coat of many colors. It has nothing to do with divine direction.
But by His death meant we are no longer under law since no one would possibly live up to it
 

Da Vinci

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Moses and the commandmentsWas the Sabbath changed from the seventh day of the week to the first day? Well, yes and no. Let's deal with the "no" first.

God, "with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning" (James 1:17), does not change (Malachi 3:6). The Israelites received two laws from Moses: the law of Moses, that of ordinances and ceremonies; and the Law of God, embodied in the Ten Commandments, which is an expression of God's character. If God does not change, neither will His Law. "My covenant I will not break, nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips" (Psalm 89:34). "I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it" (Ecclesiastes 3:14). "The works of his hands are faithful and just; all his precepts are trustworthy. They are steadfast for ever and ever, done in faithfulness and uprightness" (Psalm 111:7, 8).

God gave His Law to the Israelites at Mt. Sinai. Amid thunder and lightning, a thick cloud covered the mountain, and a trumpet blasted. Smoke billowed up as from a furnace and the whole mountain shook as the trumpet grew louder and louder. Moses led the Israelites out of their camp to meet with God, and every one of them trembled. Then God spoke (Exodus 19:16-19, 20:1). If this Law were to be changed, it would be reasonable to expect God Himself to announce it, and give reasons for its alteration, amid the same amount of ceremony. Yet there is no indication in Scripture of such an announcement.

What About the New Testament?
In the New Testament, the seventh day of the week is called the Sabbath; it is mentioned 58 times. The first day of the week is mentioned eight times. It is simply called the first day of the week, and it is always differentiated from the Sabbath. This in itself is evidence for the continued validity of the seventh-day Sabbath.

The gospel writers record Jesus and the apostles going to the synagogue on Sabbath as their "custom" (Luke 4:16 ). Jesus said, "I have kept My Father's commandments" (John 15:10). The women who went to anoint His body after his death "rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment" (Luke 23:56). Nearly all of the incidents reported of the apostles' preaching occurred on the seventh-day Sabbath. Of all the accusations the Jews made against the apostles, never once did they accuse the apostles of breaking the Sabbath.

Some teach that after Christ's death and resurrection, the Old Testament law was done away with and a new covenant took its place. But Jesus Himself said, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled" (Matthew 5:17, 18). The law of Moses, which foreshadowed Christ's sacrifice, was indeed made irrelevant, but Paul maintains that the Law of God is to be kept, though we now be under grace. "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid; yea, we establish the law" (Romans 3:31).

How It Happened...
Yet for nearly 2,000 years now, millions of Christians have worshiped on Sunday. So was the Sabbath changed from the seventh to the first day of the week? Let's look at the "yes" now.

"The Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath" (Luke 6:5). Here Jesus staked His claim and forbade anyone to meddle with the Sabbath. Yet He knew there would be those who would claim the power to change God's Law. Through Daniel he warned of just such a man. Describing a "little horn power" (Daniel 7:8), Daniel says, "He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws" (Daniel 7:25). Paul made a similar prediction: "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God, or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God" (2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4, 7).

Paul warned that this blasphemy was already at work, and that it would come not from an outside influence, but from within the church (2 Thessalonians 2:7, Acts 20:28-30). Sure enough, not long after Paul's day, apostasy appeared in the church.

About 100 years before Christianity, Egyptian Mithraists introduced the festival of Sunday, dedicated to worshiping the sun, into the Roman Empire. Later, as Christianity grew, church leaders wished to increase the numbers of the church. In order to make the gospel more attractive to non-Christians, pagan customs were incorporated into the church's ceremonies. The custom of Sunday worship was welcomed by Christians who desired to differentiate themselves from the Jews, whom they hated because of the Jews' rejection of the Savior. The first day of the week began to be recognized as both a religious and civil holiday. By the end of the second century, Christians considered it sinful to work on Sunday.

The Roman emperor Constantine, a former sun-worshiper, professed conversion to Christianity, though his subsequent actions suggest the "conversion" was more of a political move than a genuine heart change. Constantine named himself Bishop of the Catholic Church and enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday observance in A.D. 321.
On the venerable day of the sun let the magistrate and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however, persons engaged in agricultural work may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain growing or for vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. - Schaff's History of the Christian Church, vol. III, chap. 75.

Note that Constantine's law did not even mention Sabbath but referred to the mandated rest day as a "the venerable day of the sun." And how kind he was to allow people to observe it as it was convenient. Contrast this with God's command to observe the Sabbath "even during the plowing season and harvest" (Exodus 34:21)! Perhaps the church leaders noticed this laxity as well, for just four years later, in A.D. 325, Pope Sylvester officially named Sunday "the Lord's Day," and in A.D. 338, Eusebius, the court bishop of Constantine, wrote, "All things whatsoever that it was the duty to do on the Sabbath (the seventh day of the week) we (Constantine, Eusebius, and other bishops) have transferred to the Lord's Day (the first day of the week) as more appropriately belonging to it."
 

Da Vinci

Elder Lister
Catholicism Takes Credit for the Change
St. Peter's Square and BasilicaNow a quote from the Catholic Press newspaper in Sidney, Australia. “Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles. From the beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.”

The Catholic Mirror of September 23, 1894, puts it this way: “The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.”

To point up the claims we’re talking about, I want to read from two Catechisms. First, from the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine by Reverend Peter Giermann. “Question: Which is the Sabbath day? Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day. Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.”

Second, from Reverend Steven Keenan’s Doctrinal Catechism we read this: “Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept? Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day; a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.”

Then from Cardinal Gibbons’ book, The Question Box, p.179, “If the Bible is the only guide for the Christian, then the Seventh-day Adventist is right in observing Saturday with the Jew. Is it not strange that those who make the Bible their only teacher should inconsistently follow in this matter the tradition of the Catholic Church?”

One more statement taken from the book, The Faith of Millions, p. 473. “But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn’t it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistency but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text from the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.”
 

Anglututu

Elder Lister
Not a theologian but my kidogo understanding is that Jews who Christ was one didn't and don't use the Gregorian calendar. They use the Hebrew calendar that is based on the moon meaning their Sabbath can fall on any day of the week.

This was extremely strict and SDAs, I believe still abide by it. Lakini, when Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week, things changed. Christ, the second Adam, “finished” (John 19:30) the work that the first Adam failed to do (Rom. 5:12-19). Because of that pivotal event, the church determined that for Christians under the new covenant, the day of worship and celebration of the Lord’s grace in Jesus Christ was to be the first day of the week, Sunday

My last take is that going to Church and observing Sabbath are two very different things.
If you've taken a holiday in Dubai, you'll realize that there's a very active Christian community that actually observes the Sabbath on Friday when it's a day to congregate like the other Muslims and they're totally correct! Sunday is usually like Sato here and Sunday like a Monday hehehe.

Anyway, I don't think which day one chooses to rest is such a big deal.

Better theologians such as @Ole Waru @Liberty @Ngimanene na Muchere, @Mwalimu-G (with help from his wife) and others can elaborate further..
Jesus was sent to the jews, he wasn't a jew.
 

Loudsound

Lister
Not a theologian but my kidogo understanding is that Jews who Christ was one didn't and don't use the Gregorian calendar. They use the Hebrew calendar that is based on the moon meaning their Sabbath can fall on any day of the week.

This was extremely strict and SDAs, I believe still abide by it. Lakini, when Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week, things changed. Christ, the second Adam, “finished” (John 19:30) the work that the first Adam failed to do (Rom. 5:12-19). Because of that pivotal event, the church determined that for Christians under the new covenant, the day of worship and celebration of the Lord’s grace in Jesus Christ was to be the first day of the week, Sunday

My last take is that going to Church and observing Sabbath are two very different things.
If you've taken a holiday in Dubai, you'll realize that there's a very active Christian community that actually observes the Sabbath on Friday when it's a day to congregate like the other Muslims and they're totally correct! Sunday is usually like Sato here and Sunday like a Monday hehehe.

Anyway, I don't think which day one chooses to rest is such a big deal.

Better theologians such as @Ole Waru @Liberty @Ngimanene na Muchere, @Mwalimu-G (with help from his wife) and others can elaborate further..
You have explained it in the best possible way.
 
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