Just Thoughts.. Help me reason

Burner

Elder Lister
defending him/it will always be a barren endeavour, a futile effort
I wouldn't say its barren and futile, just that some of the arguments proposed arent convincing or simply fall flat.

I am not defending, but we are creatures limited by our own way of thinking and understanding...
I'd say you are partially correct. True we are limited in understanding. But at that limit is where we should admit we don't understand and answer I dont know. The problem we have is that many religions will puport to know the thing beyond our understanding is some deity of sorts. And time and time again we find a naturalistic explanation.
 

Luther12

Elder Lister
Hii swali hamjinijibu. @Luther12, kuja taratibu. I know they must have an explanation hapo Kwa seminary.

I want to to know why Sir god made so many errors.

Religion demands that you suspend logic my fren.
If you delve too much into science, chances of being an atheist are quite high.
Case in point: so many times we hear people say disease is punishment for the ills one has done. If that is so, what wrong has that toddler done to deserve punishment with cancer?

Statement of bias: Kusema tu ukweli, uchungu wa huyo mtoto uliniuma sana. That kid cried so much I had to step out to compose myself.
 

The.Black.Templar

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Religion demands that you suspend logic my fren.
If you delve too much into science, chances of being an atheist are quite high.
Case in point: so many times we hear people say disease is punishment for the ills one has done. If that is so, what wrong has that toddler done to deserve punishment with cancer?

Statement of bias: Kusema tu ukweli, uchungu wa huyo mtoto uliniuma sana. That kid cried so much I had to step out to compose myself.
science can also make people believe in God even more...there are cases where even doctors are not able to explain how a person has survived and is still alive even when science says otherwise
 

Da Vinci

Elder Lister
science can also make people believe in God even more...there are cases where even doctors are not able to explain how a person has survived and is still alive even when science says otherwise
That kind of scientist will be a religious person first and then a scientist second. The best and the truest scientist will forever look for a logical explanation. And it is okay for a scientist to say I don't know, I have no idea, I can't tell.
 

Kamau wa Kíríro

Elder Lister
I'm not a slaver sir. I always pay a fair wage for everyone that works with me. I cannot treat you unfairly for any reason. I do my best to treat people as I should be treated. I grew up in a slum(kia Ndutu), I know how difficult life is. I have also lived in Mukuru Kwa Ruben and Korogosho if you must know. I have seen Mūngīkī come and pass.

Athuri thaai!
And what is in it for an atheist to do good while there's no expectation for rewards here or hereafter?
 

Ngimanene na Muchere

Elder Lister
And when Physicists, Scientists, Doctors say "Here be dragons" they will refer to a supreme designer as everything is too ordered and measured for it to be a fluke of nature, and there is proof of my Jehovah. Where man`s knowledge ends, there is my Jehovah.
 

bigDog

Elder Lister
And what is in it for an atheist to do good while there's no expectation for rewards here or hereafter?
Because it feels good to do good. I feel happy when I relate with someone in a positive way. I feel happy when I can relate with my neghbour. I'm happy when I see you have success. I want you to have a happy family.

I can be an atheist and wish all that for you. I promise not to hate you for religious purpose!
 

The.Black.Templar

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That kind of scientist will be a religious person first and then a scientist second. The best and the truest scientist will forever look for a logical explanation. And it is okay for a scientist to say I don't know, I have no idea, I can't tell.
What if they cannot find a logical explanation?
 

Ngimanene na Muchere

Elder Lister
What if they cannot find a logical explanation?
And there they find my Jehovah, when they can run back time to billionths of a second after the big bang and know that the ingredients of the universe are matter, energy and space itself to forwarding time enough to know that the universe will freeze over to nothing, no more energy and all in between is very structured and ordered for it to be fluke. They always say there has to be an "intelligent designer" my Jehovah.
John1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. What more proof do you need
 

Ngimanene na Muchere

Elder Lister
.. I may sound like an atheist in this case but im not.
So the bible clearly states that God knows our every action before we were concieved?. Yes
He knows what we gon do tomorrow and years to come.. Basiclly he has a script we are living accordingly..
The same bible says.. We have a choice to make. Choosing right from left/evil. The freedom of free will.
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If i am destined to live as a whore.. How was it my choice?? He definately knew i will be deep dicked or ill suck cocks for a living... It was neva my choice. Just a script i am following unknowingly...

How is having a choice and the scripted life make sense?????


Asking for 45623 confused christians
What`s the greatest law in the Bible? Love is. Love comes by as a result of choice, free will to chose someone or not. Love your wife or husband or not. In Deuteronomy 30:15 Jehovah gave the Israelites choice, it was ultimately for them to choose not robots who had no say in their lives and that`s the loving nature of my Jehovah and ironically the same Jehovah capable of hate, He`s Sovereign.
 

bigDog

Elder Lister
That kind of scientist will be a religious person first and then a scientist second. The best and the truest scientist will forever look for a logical explanation. And it is okay for a scientist to say I don't know, I have no idea, I can't tell.
So, what's wrong with saying there is no proof that god exists?
 

Burner

Elder Lister
And what is in it for an atheist to do good while there's no expectation for rewards here or hereafter?
Do good because it benefits everyone. Or just because its a good thing to make someone's day/life easier. There doesnt need to be a reward.
The same way you will help a person randomly isnt because you expect something, or you are thinking about the reward you will get in heaven. You do it because it the decent thing to do.
 

The.Black.Templar

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Then you leave it at that until you can. Say there is something going on here and i cant explain whats happening.
What if the person mentions to you that they have been praying about it and they had faith to be healed? do you just trash their faith and yet wewe mwenyewe you have just witnessed what they call a miracle?
 

Da Vinci

Elder Lister
what is a whole school cannot find an explanation, what if a whole generation still cannot find an explanation?
Nothing wrong with that, still. So many phenomena are ununderstood and so unexplained and life still goes on as countless people try to find their secrets. The habit of dismissing all that we don't understand as God's work is really backward.
 

The.Black.Templar

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Nothing wrong with that, still. So many phenomena are ununderstood and so unexplained and life still goes on as countless people try to find their secrets. The habit of dismissing all that we don't understand as God's work is really backward.
so you believe we are hear by good luck and not by design? How do you explain the spirit that is within you?
 
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