Is it really ever this serious?

Mwalimu-G

Elder Lister
It's natural to blame the president for all th
We have perfected the avoidance system where we must find someone to blame for our failures (collective and individual). The higher the scapegoat the better since it also gives us a ready-made opportunities to whine and play victim. It also shifts the heavy task of thinking up solutions to others because we tire too quickly when we think and we would rather wait for the ready made solutions. Revolutions were never done by people who couldn't think.
 
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Da Vinci

Elder Lister
The prevailing dislike for Uhuru is rendering Kenyans blind to other very crucial but unsettling flaws of the current constitution. Why designate the president of the Republic as the ultimate appointing authority and then curtail the same authority by denying him the right to his personal input? And why does this has to be only when it comes to the judiciary appointments? Uhuru is just but temporary. He is just a passing cloud. But the office of the president of Kenya shall remain with us forever!
 

Ngimanene na Muchere

Elder Lister
I just did a small detour via the County Assembly on my way here where I found Guys really really pissed off by today’s events at the State House.

Some MCAs over there are so dejected, demoralised and pitiful that I just felt like giving them a hug and a cuddle and assure them that in the fullness of time all will be swell.

But I couldn’t help but wonder and puzzle: is politics so serious as to make somebody lose their peace of mind, their decorum and their centre of gravity?

Herewith below, I have attached the cries and tribulations of one such MCA.
I too I'm beyond dejected in dire need of a hug and a cuddle.... Nikuje?
 

upepo

Elder Lister
The prevailing dislike for Uhuru is rendering Kenyans blind to other very crucial but unsettling flaws of the current constitution. Why designate the president of the Republic as the ultimate appointing authority and then curtail the same authority by denying him the right to his personal input? And why does this has to be only when it comes to the judiciary appointments? Uhuru is just but temporary. He is just a passing cloud. But the office of the president of Kenya shall remain with us forever!
You should be trying to discover why those powers were taken away in the first place and then ponder why this situation did not arise with the first two presidencies under the new constitution.
 

Luther12

Elder Lister
The prevailing dislike for Uhuru is rendering Kenyans blind to other very crucial but unsettling flaws of the current constitution. Why designate the president of the Republic as the ultimate appointing authority and then curtail the same authority by denying him the right to his personal input? And why does this has to be only when it comes to the judiciary appointments? Uhuru is just but temporary. He is just a passing cloud. But the office of the president of Kenya shall remain with us forever!

The tragedy, IMNSHO, is that we went presidential.
We should've adopted, fully, the parliamentary system of gov't.
 

Othello

Elder Lister
The tragedy, IMNSHO, is that we went presidential.
We should've adopted, fully, the parliamentary system of gov't.
Discussed at Bomas, but a few fools who thought they'd be president changed their minds at the last minute. That said, a dick of a leader will remain a dick whether parliamentary or presidential. Pale Ethiopia ni massacre na genocide tu
 

Mr Black

Elder Lister
The prevailing dislike for Uhuru is rendering Kenyans blind to other very crucial but unsettling flaws of the current constitution. Why designate the president of the Republic as the ultimate appointing authority and then curtail the same authority by denying him the right to his personal input? And why does this has to be only when it comes to the judiciary appointments? Uhuru is just but temporary. He is just a passing cloud. But the office of the president of Kenya shall remain with us forever!
The Constitution is not flawed on this one, it is plain and simple. Where no discretion is given none exists. If we were to allow every state officer to interpret 'shall' as 'may' it would be chaos, where input is not sought it should not be given. In any case his input is given through the AG who sits in the JSC and some 3 other representatives.

In fact, the issue here isn't his opinion, it is the intelligence reports he claims to have received from state organs pointing to impropriety on the part of the 6 judges.

It is those reports that need addressing and the Constitution provides a channel to do so through the removal process which has a significantly low burden of proof, all that is needed is a petition detailing the facts constituting grounds for removal, so if it is money laundering a statement from the bank showing that is sufficient, that alone gets you fired, if a state agency claims to have such evidence this should be a slumdunk case.

So no, the issue here isn't his opinion, even he doesn't claim to want to give it.
 

Denis Young

Elder Lister
Most of them are very young without real life experiences and challenges.... they don't take a NO for an answer.
This is one of the things that made me hot headed. When the older generation cite our young age as the reason why we don't know better.

I honestly find that argument pathetic. We are not the ones who always suggest prayer as a solution for corruption. We are not the ones claiming leaders are selected by God. We are not the ones letting our 'elders' select spokespersons for us.

Those who are in their 50's and 60's now were in the university when Moi was in power and you know what they did then. Now that you are tired and fulfilled all you seek is compromises. Let the youth take up the struggle where you left it. They have the energy and desire that has since left your bodies.
 

Mwalimu-G

Elder Lister
So no, the issue here isn't his opinion, even he doesn't claim to want to give it
Didn't he say he filed a memorandum explaining his rejecting to JSC? Why don't we wait to hear their response or grandstanding (which I expect will be the reaction anyway).
 

Mwalimu-G

Elder Lister
his is one of the things that made me hot headed. When the older generation cite our young age as the reason why we don't know better
Please don't get hot-headed. Understand that they have been there and know how it ends. If you ask me if I would go to Kamukunji again I'd tell you hell no!
The reason they tell you to cool down is because they have seen how it goes when the genie is out of the bottle. It is not time for that now.
 

Denis Young

Elder Lister
Please don't get hot-headed. Understand that they have been there and know how it ends. If you ask me if I would go to Kamukunji again I'd tell you hell no!
The reason they tell you to cool down is because they have seen how it goes when the genie is out of the bottle. It is not time for that now.
If that is the case, Moi would have been in power for more than the 24 years. Probably he would have died in statehouse. By saying you wouldn't do it all over again is bastardize the contributions of many who died and others still alive for standing for what they felt was a better Kenya. How we could use some of those people today.
 

Mr Black

Elder Lister
Didn't he say he filed a memorandum explaining his rejecting to JSC? Why don't we wait to hear their response or grandstanding (which I expect will be the reaction anyway).
He should have done that in 2019, would have saved the nation so much money, time and lost opportunities.
 
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