Can your employer force you to take covid vaccine?

Luther12

Elder Lister
178 staffers at Houston Methodist hospital suspended for not complying with COVID-19 vaccine mandate

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A Texas hospital has suspended 178 staff members who refused to get the COVID-19 vaccine despite a mandate for staff to be inoculated by this week. Houston Methodist hospital, which oversees eight hospitals and has more than 26,000 employees, set a Monday deadline for staffers to get the vaccine or risk suspension and termination.

The hospital said Tuesday that 178 full-time or part-time employees, who did not get fully vaccinated and were not granted an exemption or deferral, were suspended for 14 days without pay for not complying with the requirement. If those suspended do not get vaccinated within the two-week period, they will be terminated, a spokesperson for the hospital told ABC News.

Dr. Marc Boom, the president and CEO of Houston Methodist said in a statement nearly 100% of the hospitals staff was compliant with the mandate and 24,947 were fully vaccinated.

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People hold signs to protest Houston Methodist Hospital system's rule of firing any employee who is not immunized by Monday, June 7, 2021, at Houston Methodist Baytown Hospital in Baytown, Texas.

He said of suspended employees, 27 had received one dose of the vaccine, “so I am hopeful they will get their second doses soon.”

“We won't have the final numbers for two weeks as employees can still get vaccinated with their second dose or with the one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine,” Boom said. “I wish the number could be zero, but unfortunately, a small number of individuals have decided not to put their patients first.”

Of all employees, 285 received a medical or religious exemption, and 332 were granted deferrals for pregnancy and other reasons, he said. “This decision was ultimately made for our patients, as they are at the center of everything we do at Houston Methodist,” he said in the statement.

Last month, 117 Houston Methodist employees sued the hospital for mandating the vaccine. The lawsuit, filed in Montgomery County, alleged the hospital was "illegally requiring its employees to be injected with an experimental vaccine as a condition of employment."

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People gather to protest Houston Methodist Hospital system's rule of firing any employee who is not immunized by Monday, June 7, 2021, at Houston Methodist Baytown Hospital in Baytown, Texas.

The lawsuit cited that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued its first emergency use authorization for COVID-19 in December 2020, but the vaccines are awaiting full FDA approval and licensing, which will likely take months for the agency to review additional data. The lawsuit said forcing the plaintiffs to take the vaccine violates public policy in Texas and requested a temporary injunction to prevent the hospital from terminating employees.

Attorney Jared Woodfill, who filed the lawsuit, told ABC News last month that Houston Methodist is forcing employees to get the shot to boost the hospital's profits. "To promote its business and increase profits at the expense of other health care providers and their employees' health, Defendants advertise to the public that they 'require all employees and employed physicians to get a COVID-19 vaccine.' More clearly, Defendants' employees are being forced to serve as human 'guinea pigs' to increase Defendants' profits," Woodfill said. "It is a severe and blatant violation of the Nuremberg Code and the public policy of the state of Texas."

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Medical workers and pedestrians cross an intersection outside of the Houston Methodist Hospital on June 09, 2021, in Houston.

The Equal Opportunity Employment Commission, a federal government agency that protects workers from discrimination, issued a new guidance last month that said employers can legally require COVID-19 vaccines to re-enter a physical workplace as long as they follow requirements to find alternative arrangements for employees unable to get vaccinated for medical reasons or religious beliefs.

Some of those accommodations may be allowing an unvaccinated employee to wear a face mask and social distance while at work, to work a modified shift, get periodic tests for COVID-19, be given the opportunity to telework or accept a reassignment, according to the guidance.
 

Nefertities

Elder Lister
I think it should be dependent on what type of job you do. You cannot be in the healthcare industry (whether it's a doctor or a worker at an elder living facility) if you don't even believe in the work you do (like most anti vaxxers do) and if you're willing to put your patients at risk by exposing them when you know their immunity is at its lowest while in hospital. That also includes teachers or caretakers of very small kids.

For other jobs, circumstances are different because other service providers like, say, the line-men at an electrical company, do not have to interact directly with the customers. Their rules are different because it's more important for them to learn about safety while working on electrical lines (unlike medical care personnel) than being vaccinated.

In short, every job has something you HAVE to do that seems like you're being forced to because of the type of job you're in.

What needs to happen first is that any company or body willing to fire that many employees should just review their contracts and insert a clause which mentions mandatory vaccination for any pandemic-type situations going forward at the risk of termination, then have their employees asked to read and sign it. Those unwilling to sign should sign a different contract saying that they are willing to resign voluntarily and will not proceed to court with a lawsuit because they are accepting that they do not want to follow the rules set. Simple.
 

Luther12

Elder Lister

innwisd

New Lister
It depends on your line of work. If it is a place where there is a high chance of getting the virus like in hospital they can really manipulate you to take.
 

Luther12

Elder Lister

JP Morgan will instruct US staff to register their vaccine status on an internal web portal this week.
Employees who have had both vaccine doses will be allowed to discard face masks at work.
Staff may be allowed to tick a box saying they would rather not disclose their status - although the bank hopes only a small number will do so.
The move is intended to reassure workers that returning to the office is safe.




Cathay Pacific has told its aircrew that they must get a Covid vaccination by 31 August or risk losing their jobs.
The airline said staff rostering has become "difficult and complicated" because of a need to segregate vaccinated and non-vaccinated crew.
Cathay Pacific said it could, in the "short-term", accommodate those employees not able to take the vaccine.
But it said: "We will review the future employment of those who are unable to become vaccinated."
 

Loudsound

Lister
some can but they are always advised not to especially those in the medical sector. It should be a choice because its a right for someone to seek medical attention when he or she needs to. no one is to be forced.
 

Yuleyule

Lister
They cant force you. But you also can't force them to hire you or continue hiring you.
That again is the challenge .Its like you are being held at gun point you are given an option to take the vaccine but if you suggest otherwise you risk loosing your job.
 

bigDog

Elder Lister
That again is the challenge .Its like you are being held at gun point you are given an option to take the vaccine but if you suggest otherwise you risk loosing your job.
That's false equivalence. If you refuse to take yellow fever vaccine for any reason, you won't be allowed into many countries including Kenya. So, any foreigner who wants to take up a job in Kenya MUST take a yellow fever vaccine. No ifs or buts! OK?
 

Yuleyule

Lister
That's false equivalence. If you refuse to take yellow fever vaccine for any reason, you won't be allowed into many countries including Kenya.
Was refering to the Covid 19 vaccine. For yellow fever its entirely a different case altogether.
 
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