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This is practically impossible for people like @Mongrel and @IntrovertYou actually come out more foolish than you went in,
Shouldn't an attempt be made to regulate such specific areas rather than rope in the entire industry?Not all IT work has public interest lakini kuna zingine e.g guy incharge of system / data security, guys who do systems audits, very soon guys who will over see AI, those guys should subscribe to a code of ethics and regulator have a whitelist of members.
For example?Shouldn't an attempt be made to regulate such specific areas rather than rope in the entire industry?
Its their right to if they choose.If the government said you have to hand your daughters over for an annual virginity check every year until they turn 18, some people on this forum would defend it.
And the mps will readily pass such billIf the government said you have to hand your daughters over for an annual virginity check every year until they turn 18, some people on this forum would defend it.
I want you in your own words to explain to the village how regulating a profession will lead to brain drain or at best loss of livelihoods. As you come up with an answer, please note that Accountant's, Company Secretaries, Lawyers, Judges, Doctors, Nurses, Engineers etc are regulated by their own professional bodies which ensures that they attain the relevant qualifications and experience and that they carry out their affairs in a manner consistent with the Acts that regulate their professions.On Wednesday, a contentious ICT Practitioners Bill 2020 went through the final stage – third reading – in the Kenyan Parliament. The Bill now awaits Presidential Assent before it is turned into law.
The bill seeks to establish an ICT Practitioners Institute for training, registration, licensing, practice and setting standards for ICT professionals in Kenya. The proposed Institute will also issue annual licenses to the practitioners at a fee.
Suffice to say, the requirements proposed by the Bill will be a hurdle to many young people wishing to join the profession but do not meet the threshold set by the body. The bill also proposes to introduce an annual licensing fee for the ICT practitioners. This could kill the dreams of young people who want to join the profession but lack money to pay for the annual licenses.
As usual, politicians looking to control any means by which Kenyans can pull themselves out of poverty and make a decent living. The controversial bill was rejected twice before, with the sponsors unable to clearly articulate which problems they want to solve through the bill. Then just when parliament is about to close, it was quickly and silently passed the third time.
Developments in the Kibaki era opened up great opportunities for those in the tech sector but it seems after a while the politicians noticed how lucrative the sector was becoming and started salivating for control. So now they want to place barriers of entry, whereas in other countries, kids are encouraged to get into tech as young as possible so that they can become competitive in the global arena.
If this becomes law, I forsee significant brain drain amongst Kenyan techies as they look for opportunities elsewhere
No comparison there. If you want to strengthen an argument compare comparable items/events or issues.If the government said you have to hand your daughters over for an annual virginity check every year until they turn 18, some people on this forum would defend it.
Jesus Christ!! Do you think the people providing remote IT services from India have degrees?? Gai fafa.They can go to the North Pole if they so wish. Indian IT practitioners will be readily available to offer remote services. Hell! Even International firms have outsourced their IT services to India and will continue to do so.
I've already presented my thoughts on the matter, it is up to you to argue your points.I want you in your own words to explain to the village how regulating a profession will lead to brain drain or at best loss of livelihoods. As you come up with an answer, please note that Accountant's, Company Secretaries, Lawyers, Judges, Doctors, Nurses, Engineers etc are regulated by their own professional bodies which ensures that they attain the relevant qualifications and experience and that they carry out their affairs in a manner consistent with the Acts that regulate their professions.
Bear in mind too that there would be wisdom within the IT community to push for reforms in the IT curriculums at University levels; they could also push for inclusion of Ethics training in that sector.
While answering, please let the village know, 'who the hell do IT practitioners think they are that they cannot be regulated?'
The government is not aiming at determining the minimum or maximum wage that they should earn; the government is not even after them with respect to tax payments.
They can go to the North Pole if they so wish. Indian IT practitioners will be readily available to offer remote services. Hell! Even International firms have outsourced their IT services to India and will continue to do so.
You come across as someone with acutely limited understanding of what IT entails (Packages do not count). The breadth and depth of IT does not allow for the imposition of such arbitrary thresholds. 99% of the people offering IT services in this country have no degrees in the field, and the few with degrees can hardly attain what the market requires. The situation is not much different in other countries across the world. The effect of such requirements would be to lock out skilled individuals from accessing opportunities while rewarding those with papers but no skills. It should be left to the market to decide what it wants to hire. If an employer needs degree holders, get them. But not to dictate who should be hired.I want you in your own words to explain to the village how regulating a profession will lead to brain drain or at best loss of livelihoods. As you come up with an answer, please note that Accountant's, Company Secretaries, Lawyers, Judges, Doctors, Nurses, Engineers etc are regulated by their own professional bodies which ensures that they attain the relevant qualifications and experience and that they carry out their affairs in a manner consistent with the Acts that regulate their professions.
Bear in mind too that there would be wisdom within the IT community to push for reforms in the IT curriculums at University levels; they could also push for inclusion of Ethics training in that sector.
While answering, please let the village know, 'who the hell do IT practitioners think they are that they cannot be regulated?'
The government is not aiming at determining the minimum or maximum wage that they should earn; the government is not even after them with respect to tax payments.
They can go to the North Pole if they so wish. Indian IT practitioners will be readily available to offer remote services. Hell! Even International firms have outsourced their IT services to India and will continue to do so.
Food handling is of public interest. Would we want to register, accredit and regulate everyone who produces, distributes, processes and prepares food, starting from the farmer to whoever cooks food in your house?Any profession that has public interest should have some form of regulation, e.g why do you insist that your surgeon/pilot be qualified. The shape and form of which should be agreed by the professionals and the regulator.
Not all IT work has public interest lakini kuna zingine e.g guy incharge of system / data security, guys who do systems audits, very soon guys who will over see AI, those guys should subscribe to a code of ethics and regulator have a whitelist of members.
Sijui much about this bill, but lots of arguements naona zinasema throw it out wholesome which I disagree with
You'll find that people in specific roles such as auditing and information security already have some measure of self-regulation, in terms of internationally recognized certifications.Not all IT work has public interest lakini kuna zingine e.g guy incharge of system / data security, guys who do systems audits, very soon guys who will over see AI
we already doing it. From KEBS, to food handler medical tests, to regulation of agricultural and food processing inputs..... its thereFood handling is of public interest. Would we want to register, accredit and regulate everyone who produces, distributes, processes and prepares food,
I already answeredA lot of innovation is happening in real time in AI, trying to regulate that is like crippling yourself
The shape and form of which should be agreed by the professionals and the regulator.
Yes, but as you've mentioned, very specific roles in the food industry. Not blanket on everyone in the industry.we already doing it. From KEBS, to food handler medical tests, to regulation of agricultural and food processing inputs..... its there
we are on the same pageYes, but as you've mentioned, very specific roles in the food industry. Not blanket on everyone in the industry.
Some specific roles can be regulated, others cannot.
Not all IT work has public interest lakini kuna zingine e.g
You'd first have to identify the professionals you want to regulate. Next step is to engage them appropriately. Not in the manner of this bill that dropped from the sky and has already been rejected several times.The shape and form of which should be agreed by the professionals and the regulator.
Then you would agree that the existing bill is very ill-suited. Let them identify which roles they want to regulate, and why it makes sense to do so, with input from people who practice those roles. Not placing a barrier to everyone who wants to get into IT. If say, they want to register forensic experts who can give admissible evidence in court, or those who can set up and maintain government IT systems, by all means let them do so.we are on the same page