BBI Politics, objectively

bigDog

Elder Lister
What is your position? Can you argue it without fighting individuals?

I'm for BBI because my region (Mt Kenya) has had a raw deal in terms of representation and cash allocation. That's my bottom line.

For those opposed to BBI, what do you hope to gain? We saw our opponents derail one man, one vote one shilling agenda.
 

zapp_brannigan

I am not a Futurama fan .
Kujeni tuongee. Akina @Mwalimu-G , @Meria , @skampaka, @pamba1, @mzeiya, @zapp_brannigan, @shocks

Let's talk pamoja. Let's not fight Bila kuongea. Let's talk and agree to agree. Agreeing to disagree is also agreeing. Bila fujo!

Ama vipi?
It might be a good idea , but so far I have not managed to understand why we need to rush it . Our biggest problem is corruption and not how much each constituency gets .We tackle corruption and we will have tackled half of our economic challenges .
Even those we claim get more money , they have done nothing with it .Proving more money does not equate to more development .
 

It's Me Scumbag

Elder Lister
What is your position? Can you argue it without fighting individuals?

I'm for BBI because my region (Mt Kenya) has had a raw deal in terms of representation and cash allocation. That's my bottom line.

For those opposed to BBI, what do you hope to gain? We saw our opponents derail one man, one vote one shilling agenda.
Question: Are you okay with the top heavy bureaucratic government that BBI seeks to create. With leaders being imposed on the citizenry in a supposedly democratic country?
 

Masgwembe

Elder Lister
For me, BBI is about creating more political positions which cost more money. The more allocations to counties again is not realistic. Even the current 15% allocation is a struggle to get. What Kenya really needs is austerity measures by the government.

Wangesema they want to reduce constituencies to a max of 120 and counties to 12 I'd fully support it with all the other monkey business it adds.

I am yet to understand the value of MCA and Women Rep positions in a struggling economy.
 

Denis Young

Elder Lister
1. We should be reducing representation not increasing it.

2. How can you devolve 35% when you don't even collect enough as a country to devolve a minimum of 15%?

3. Everything in the BBI except the changes in the executive i.e PM, and 2 DPM's do not require a referendum. It is a trojan horse. If it says it is not a virus...it is a virus!
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
I'm for BBI because my region (Mt Kenya) has had a raw deal in terms of representation and cash allocation. That's my bottom line.
There you go again, being tribal and stuff, can't you talk about politics without going back to your tribal cacoon? In that same tongue are you also saying that you are uncomfortable because kikuyus are not well represented?
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
What is your position? Can you argue it without fighting individuals?

I'm for BBI because my region (Mt Kenya) has had a raw deal in terms of representation and cash allocation. That's my bottom line.

For those opposed to BBI, what do you hope to gain? We saw our opponents derail one man, one vote one shilling agenda.
But anyway just to also contribute to the discussion, if there was any goodwill most of those changes do not require constitutional ammendments, a tax break only requires parliament to do its thing,

Why do we need a youth commission while we have a whole ferking ministry for the youth?

Kama ni helb loan even that one does not need any constitutional ammendment

We are basically being lied to that it is good for us and those good things can be done without bbi.

How many times have you heard governors threaten to shut down their counties because 15 percent is not available, kama hio kidogo haiko where will 35percent come from??
 

Clemens

Elder Lister
There you go again, being tribal and stuff, can't you talk about politics without going back to your tribal cacoon? In that same tongue are you also saying that you are incomfortable because kikuyus are not well represented?
What's wrong with that?, coasterians, North Eastern, the maa's, Have for a longtime talking about their regions being marginalized, and it has never been tribal, does it only become tribal when his region is affected?
 

Clemens

Elder Lister
But anyway just to also contribute to the discussion, if there was any goodwill most of those changes do not require constitutional ammendments, a tax break only requires parliament to do its thing,

Why do we need a youth commission while we have a whole ferking ministry for the youth?

Kama ni helb loan even that one does not need any constitutional ammendment

We are basically being lied to that it is good for us and those good things can be done without bbi.

How many times have you heard governors threaten to shut down their counties because 15 percent is not available, kama hio kidogo haiko where will 35percent come from??
Valid points, my question is why do we need so many counties and it's numerous useless position which they can't sustain with their internal revenue? A county that collects 200 million annually as its internal revenue, while it's monthly expenses are more than that is actually a leech on the consolidated funds.
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
1. We should be reducing representation not increasing it.

2. How can you devolve 35% when you don't even collect enough as a country to devolve a minimum of 15%?

3. Everything in the BBI except the changes in the executive i.e PM, and 2 DPM's do not require a referendum. It is a trojan horse. If it says it is not a virus...it is a virus!
Also don't forget that governors will also not be retiring with the bbi
 

Fala12

Elder Lister

Clemens

Elder Lister
Is mt kenya marginalised? From that sentiment does it mean bbi only helps mt kenya region
By definition marginalisation is treatment of a person, group, or concept as insignificant or peripheral.
His region gets less funds per person since they are considered to be well off, I can give you an example, a factory worker in Athi river, machakos county earning 18k is considered richer than a pastoralist in Marsabit County who owns 200 camels, 400 heads of cattle, and 3000 goats/sheep. While his salary and spending is taxed and goes directly to the consolidated fund which shall be shared by all counties in the republic, the pastoralist on the other hand only pays market cess(rarely) when he sells his livestock 50 bob for a goat, a 100 for a cattle and 200 for the camel which is retained by his county.
When it comes to gains from the state funding: the pastoralist gets the cream. His ward has 24 thousand residents, to the factory workers 84 thousands, the pastoralist get an additional equalisation fund up and above that of the factory worker; this is because the factory worker lives in a 'rich' county with tarmac, piped water, and electricity.

Bursary allocation in Athi river is 5000 from the county and 7000 from NG-CDF, while the pastoralist gets 15,000 from the county and 24 thousand from the NG-CDF.

According to you, who is being marginalized by the current system? And who is more 'richer' than the other? We all live in a poor country, yet some are considered more deserving beneficiaries from the national financial kitty than others.
The only negative thing about BBI is the proposal to add more people to the executive, people who think Kenyans pay taxes so that they can spend money hiring choppers and getting car grants.
 

The.Black.Templar

Elder Lister
Staff member
When it comes to gains from the state funding: the pastoralist gets the cream. His ward has 24 thousand residents, to the factory workers 84 thousands, the pastoralist get an additional equalisation fund up and above that of the factory worker; this is because the factory worker lives in a 'rich' county with tarmac, piped water, and electricity.
wasn't this capped to a time period in the current constitution after which the allocation will be reviewed? do we need a referendum when it is well catered for in the current constitution
 
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