This is embarrassing to watch. I am embarrassed on her behalf.
Bottom up economic model discussion
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This is embarrassing to watch. I am embarrassed on her behalf.
On its own it cannot work well, both models are needed in Kenya. current model of bottom down has in a way succeeded and also successfully alienated a large proportion of the population.
Bottom up is more about stimulating, encouraging, training and nurturing small scale enterprises and individuals to produce goods and services and contribute to the economic growth. Despite Kenya having a young population most are not productive.
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Elder Lister
The technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.
"the parliamentary hearing appeared to be an exercise in whataboutism"
Perhaps you'd explain how they work badala ya hii inawork hii haitawork?
Ngimanene na Muchere
Elder Lister
Hii ni upussy, si niliuliza wakati mlikuwa mnalia BBI aaaah eeeeh iiiiiih na @bigDog kwa nini zile vitu mzuri haziwezi pelekwa parliament kama HELB, tax break nikaambiwo uliza mkubwa aaaah ooooh eeeeeh na uliona parliament walikataa mambo ya reducing HELB interest rates, sembuse 7 year tax break ndio wangeadopt? On a serious note, no one ever answered this. So get off your high horse of being an objective voter and roll in the mud
Meria
Elder Lister
Sande, @The.Black.Templar has a PhD in this.
it is always about them, any other opinion is wrong, like this thread is already skewed and whatever anybody says or explains, it will still be wrong in their eyes without saying why it is wrong. Never question their choices but they are allowed to question other peoples choices.In another thread I have asked what is preventing the government from devolving more funds,....karibu nitusiwe for questioning them
Ubongo
Elder Lister
Actually nothing much but a slogan .
From their explanation... it's that you empower economically the lower cadre who are majority to at least become lower middle class......in that essence, they claim they are still creating a large taxable base . We move from generally consumptions to production
The lower middle class will then bulge out and spread the wealth probably through creation of employment and job creations.
We slowly move from dependency...
I think Kibaki had tried when he introduced motorbikes which revolutionized our villages and employed so many people up to date.
This is the same case Rao is saying by reviving the old closed industries in most parts of the country and prioritizing Kenyan products.
How applicable it is....is a story of another day
From their explanation... it's that you empower economically the lower cadre who are majority to at least become lower middle class......in that essence, they claim they are still creating a large taxable base . We move from generally consumptions to production
The lower middle class will then bulge out and spread the wealth probably through creation of employment and job creations.
We slowly move from dependency...
I think Kibaki had tried when he introduced motorbikes which revolutionized our villages and employed so many people up to date.
This is the same case Rao is saying by reviving the old closed industries in most parts of the country and prioritizing Kenyan products.
How applicable it is....is a story of another day
Ngimanene na Muchere
Elder Lister
Anyways waende Nyamakima na down town waone bottoms up ndio nini.... those printing shops, electrical shops na kadhalika....have you seen the cars the owner parks outside the shop? Zile vitu zote wanaletewo uptown with a crazy mark up hutoka mashimo za down town
In another thread I have asked what is preventing the government from devolving more funds,....karibu nitusiwe for questioning them
Most of Nyamakima products are imported.
So you're saying bottom up economic model will be to increase importation?
In another thread I have asked what is preventing the government from devolving more funds,....karibu nitusiwe for questioning them
Another whataboutery comment.
We're discussing about bottom up economic model but your main argument is "what about that thread where I asked..."
You've explained the WHAT. Now explain the HOW.
For instance, in this bottom up model, HOW will small scale and individuals be nurtured to produce goods and services?
Ngimanene na Muchere
Elder Lister
Yes, because there`s no way we can compete on scale with Chinese manf. Give that business man/ lady a conducive environment for them to do what they do best. Give the light industries a conducive environment for them to access their raw materials and do their manf
Mwalimu-G
Elder Lister
Say what?
So in the same breadth, we should allow import sugar, rice, fish, maize, textile and even labor because we cannot compete on economies of scale with other countries.
How does this spur bottom up economic growth?
Ngimanene na Muchere
Elder Lister
I see you want to nitpick, so let`s do it.....why do countries protect some sectors of their economy and open up others?
Nothing like nit picking. Just that I found it strange that you say we allow importation of the Nyamakima goods but at the same time want light industries to work. You think the light industries will survive?
Ngimanene na Muchere
Elder Lister
And what goods do we mainly get from Nyamakima? And down town? Do we have the capacity to produce them effectively and competitively here locally? For light industries, do they produce mass market goods or they do it for a niche market?
There are a lot of plastic products imported that are sold at Nyamakima. We have a lot of companies in Kenya that produce plastic products. These Kenyan companies pay taxes and employ a lot of people. Your bottom up idea means that we're better off closing these companies and letting Nyamakima continue
Introvert
Elder Lister
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