This is Guka - No, @Introvert, I Am Not a Tribalist.................

Tiiga Waana said:
It is not just in Kenya @Field Marshal where we have these ridiculous exceptions to the General Rule.
One of these exceptions ie to Offensive Weapons Act 2019 caused me the greatest embarrassment I have ever had to endure as an adult and of all places in a Court Room.
To date I still shudder on remembering the unfortunate incident. Icio ngaria ukuru to the Children you will sire with me!
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What happened Mami ?
 
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MkukiMoto said:
Guka, after this post, I will ignore your Luo- baiting.

As a Jaluo (Njaruo), I do not think that you are a tribalist but a conveyor of rabid prejudice. Just like the White supremacists in the USA trying to prove they are smatter than others but end up displaying their ignorance.

Luos will support Baba until he is dead not because he is a demigod but because he is our Greek Trojan horse in Kenya politics.

A free hint, the Africa Continental Luo diaspora is one of the largest socio-political force in Africa. Unlike your community that has its main roots in Kenya. Our DNA roots are to be found in Southern Sudan, Northern Uganda, Northern Tanzania, Eastern DRC, Western & Southern Ethiopia, Western Kenya, and some countries in Western Africa translating into millions and millions of JoLuo.

Smart Kikuyus know that your strength is to rely on your great entrepreneurship skills to leverage economic & political power and not to politically intimidate Luos, Kalenjins, Somalis, Coastal communities etc. Any Kikuyu politics which collectively intimidate Luos, Kalenjins, Mrembe Nation, Somalis and Coastal tribes will eventually lead to a political and economic disaster. Kikuyu Tanga Tanga politicians know this fact and I respect them for that.

For eons, your women are the smartest and will ensure the survival of the house of Mumbi by integrating the genes and reaching out to other communities. They have created the space for your type to mouth off about Bonobos in peace. Jomo made a mistake by misguiding his tribe that he can contain Luos by dealing with Tom Mboya, Oginga Odinga ,etc. Moi political assassinations, Museveni and Amin oppressions have not succeeded in containing the Luo Nation.

What you call free passes or victimhood is what keeps Luos alert on why their vocal or visionary political leaders have been eliminated in the past. I will let other Luo Senators here educate you but my advice to them is to “Ling' Uru Thiii”. By the way, with close Kikuyu friends we have these discussions and debates every day.

Guka do you have any close Luo friends for serious discussions ?
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Look at this other one. This is the other side of the coin! Openly discriminative and saying exactly the same thing as Couch field macho.
 
Field Marshal said:
Bwana Kipara, let me make a few things clear.

I am not a tribalist. As a man grounded in real science, I know all humans are the same under the skin. That's why a Chinese can inter-breed with a pygmy and get a viable (breeding) offspring. Same DNA, 99.9999997%

In contrast, a horse cannot bring a viable offspring with a donkey, however hard they ferk. Different DNA.

Having said that, I am very uncomfortable with situations like Kenya isfinding itself at. The US is also in a similar position. And what is that situation?

It is this. That some truths can't be spoken because they are politically-incorrect. They are not palatable. If you dare speak them you are labelled, or at worst cancelled.

So, for example in the US when you speak against the wanton black-on-black violence and state, very correctly, that white police violence pales in comparison, you are totally cancelled. You do not understand the Black experience. You are a racist. You are a chauvinist.

In Kenya, we have been giving some of our communities free passes for the same reason. We allow Maasais to graze in the city and to carry swords all over, for example. Let a Gikuyu man try to have two goats in langata, or to sell swords in Nairobi West and you see. Court next day.

And so I come to the Luo nation.

For the longest time, this community has been given a free pass because - allegedly - they have been marginalised forever. Yet I remember that the Luos have had some of the most powerful politicians and civil servants since independence - Jaramogi, Tom Mboya, Raila, Oyugi etc.

The crazy thing is, when I, as a Gikuyu Kenyan says anything about the Luo, I am called a tribalist. A chauvinist. It's as if the Luo are off-topic. I can say anything about the Kamba or the Kalenjin or the Luhya and its kosher. I say anything about the Luo and boom! Tribalist!

When for example I say that Homa Bay has a HIV prevalence of nearly 30 per cent because of some retrogressive cultural practices - wife inheritance, transactional sex at the lake shore, early marriages - its not long before the words used in the US are shouted at me; Chauvinist! Tribalist!

When I say that the Luo, potentially one of Kenya's most progressive societies, has to do away with its silly victimhood and marginalisation narrative I am abused. Which Kenyan community, if I may ask, has been marginalised more than the Somalis yet you see them taking over the capital? I don't vote for Raila? Tribalist! And that from the same people who did not vote for Uhuru, or anybody else outside their tribe!

When I say that Luos sometimes exhibit funny 'emotionalism' - from my perspective - in love and war I am condemned. And yet, who does not see the funny screaming, yelling and loud crying at Luo matangas? This may not be wrong per se, but in many cultures including my native Gikuyu, this is strange. Ask any Nairobian and he will tell you - they would rather confront Mwangi with a gun than Otis with a knife. Why? Mwangi will just rob you and go away. Otis will knife you just for the fun of it. Emotionalism.

These are the realities of modern Kenya. Each community has its pecularities. My own Gikuyu are avarice compared to other communities - they'll do anything for a shilling which is why when yo go to Kamiti and call out "Mwangi na Njoroge wanifuate" half the cell block follows you. When this is pointed out nobody is called a tribalist. Nobody catches, we laugh. WE KNOW ITS TRUE, just as it is that half the hoes in Nairobi are from Murang'a.

So why do Luos catch when stuff about their community is said? Why are they so touchy? Hii 'emotionalism' itaisha lini?

No, I am not a tribalist. But I am a shareholder in this country we share called Kenya and I have a right to call out YOUR BS, just as you do to call out MINE.

And if your BS is wife inheritance, fish-for-sex, etc etc that leads to a HIV prevalence of 26% by God I will call it.

Nothing personal or tribal.

Just being real.
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Guka, wacha pressure.
Jaruo wasikusumbue.
 
MkukiMoto said:
Guka, after this post, I will ignore your Luo- baiting.

As a Jaluo (Njaruo), I do not think that you are a tribalist but a conveyor of rabid prejudice. Just like the White supremacists in the USA trying to prove they are smatter than others but end up displaying their ignorance.

Luos will support Baba until he is dead not because he is a demigod but because he is our Greek Trojan horse in Kenya politics.

A free hint, the Africa Continental Luo diaspora is one of the largest socio-political force in Africa. Unlike your community that has its main roots in Kenya. Our DNA roots are to be found in Southern Sudan, Northern Uganda, Northern Tanzania, Eastern DRC, Western & Southern Ethiopia, Western Kenya, and some countries in Western Africa translating into millions and millions of JoLuo.

Smart Kikuyus know that your strength is to rely on your great entrepreneurship skills to leverage economic & political power and not to politically intimidate Luos, Kalenjins, Somalis, Coastal communities etc. Any Kikuyu politics which collectively intimidate Luos, Kalenjins, Mrembe Nation, Somalis and Coastal tribes will eventually lead to a political and economic disaster. Kikuyu Tanga Tanga politicians know this fact and I respect them for that.

For eons, your women are the smartest and will ensure the survival of the house of Mumbi by integrating the genes and reaching out to other communities. They have created the space for your type to mouth off about Bonobos in peace. Jomo made a mistake by misguiding his tribe that he can contain Luos by dealing with Tom Mboya, Oginga Odinga ,etc. Moi political assassinations, Museveni and Amin oppressions have not succeeded in containing the Luo Nation.

What you call free passes or victimhood is what keeps Luos alert on why their vocal or visionary political leaders have been eliminated in the past. I will let other Luo Senators here educate you but my advice to them is to “Ling' Uru Thiii”. By the way, with close Kikuyu friends we have these discussions and debates every day.

Guka do you have any close Luo friends for serious discussions ?
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Very balanced and intelligent reply. I stand educated.
 
Mongrel said:
Ni hii muratish guka ananinulia hapa Ndeiya, did I call muhau sweetie? I am so sorry my sweetheart, forgive me pleaseeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My darling
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All is forgiven.. I know that brew can mess you up...
Kunywa your famous kasupu and have a few bites
 
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